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echo: philos
to: CLARENCE HOGAN
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-01-12 22:59:00
subject: Universes

 >>> Clarence Hogan on Universes 
 WE> That which is the universe is ever persistent clarity of mind,
 WE> orderly yet elusive.  Chaotic the multiverse, perpetually random
 WE> confusion persistently intruding upon the universe.  For respite from
 WE> both is the nulliverse, the never present, perceivable only at its
 WE> gateway transitions of sleep, death, birth, unconsciousness, and
 WE> trance.  Clarifying all of this, however, creates yet additional
 WE> confusion. 
 CH> Does not the universe represent perfect harmony and clarity 
 CH> of mind?  Has it not been made to operate by the only perfect
 CH> equations known to man, viz., mathematics, for is it not a 
 CH> known fact that thoughts in words can lie, but thoughts in 
 CH> figures cannot lie?  So in consideration of this, wherein is 
 CH> the universe elusive?
No, there are pockets of chaos or as you might put it hell.  No, mathematics 
doesn't rule the universe, it describes only a portion of the universe to 
which we can apply mathematics.  The universe often eludes mathematical 
description, economics being an example.  But so also sociology, psychology, 
ethics, aesthetics elude mathematical analysis.
 CH> As to multiverse and nulliverse, please give a definition for
 CH> these two words and then we may possibly proceed from there!
The multiverse is just too dang confusing to define while the nulliverse has 
been nullified by it's very nature.  As you believe in life after death, that 
death isn't death, then you deny that you can experience the ultimate 
nulliverse.
... Life after death?  No way, if you're still alive you haven't died yet.
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