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from: Greg1199{at}yahoo.Com
date: 2004-12-08 22:23:00
subject: Re: Men Who Distort Relig

Hyerdahl1 wrote:
> Men distort religion to justify "honour" killings
> By Jan Strupczewski, Reuters
>
> STOCKHOLM, Dec 8 (Reuters) - Men all over the world distort the
teachings of
> Islam and Christianity to justify abusing their wives and daughters,
leading to
> thousands of "honour" killings a year for which courts provide
virtual
> impunity, experts say.
>
> United Nations estimates show that more than 5,000 women are murdered
every
> year in "honour"-related violence,

The world population is about 6 billion, including Manitoba.  If we
assume half are men, we have 3 billion men and boys.  Assuming 2/3rds
of those are adults, that's 2 billion men.  Assuming the number of
honor killers is roughly equal to the number of honor killed, there are
roughly 5,000 known honor killers in a world with 2 billion men,
meaning that roughly 2.5 men per million are honor killers.  You
described this tiny fraction as "men all over the world," in a
transparent effort to incriminate all men.  As always, your efforts
fail miserably.

Of course, you say the number "could be much higher," but that claim is
about as content-free as your wasted human skull.

Parg, you could contribute more to humanity as a cadaver at the nearest
medical school.

> but the real number could be much higher,
> said experts at an international conference near Stockholm, which
ended on
> Wednesday.
>
> Horror stories of women and even girls as young as seven being
beheaded, burnt
> to death, maimed, beaten, raped, forced into suicide or mentally
abused
> underscored that patriarchal violence against women pays no heed to
religion.

So... it pays no heed to religion, yet you hold religion partially to
blame for it.  The Harvard debate team has a word for that mode of
argument.  Stupid.

> In many cases it is rooted in cultural and tribal beliefs.

Meaning what?  What are we to do?  This is being written from
Stockholm, so perhaps you intend for an army of Swedes to march on
Islamabad and change the Pakistani culture.

Note, Pakistan is not in Canada.

[...]

> While most cases are reported in Muslim countries, "honour" violence
also
> occurs among Christian families, delegates said.

Look, if you're so dissatisfied with People of the Book, try one of the
earthy, goddess-based religions that malodorous college girls have
invented so they don't have to worship the Father.  You know it's
bogus, but you also know that your vapid claims of equality are bogus,
and you don't let it stop you.

> "After we got married, Hell started," a Christian woman from the
Middle East,
> identified only as Maria, said in a video tape.

I'm sure many men have made that exact statement.  I guess Rueters must
have missed that.

> Beaten and raped for questioning her husband's business practices,
she fled to
> Sweden when he threatened to sell her into prostitution.

The sale of women into prostitution is hardly a Christian virtue.

[...]

> But some experts believe any male-dominated religion, in which God
and his
> prophets or apostols are male figures, creates conditions for the
subordination
> and abuse of women.

Hey, Jesus didn't want female apostles.  What are you gonna do.  Would
you have gone to the Sermon on the Mount to protest Jesus?  Would you
have demanded that he heal equal numbers of paralyzed women and men?

> Predominantly Catholic Poland, although free from "honour killings,"
has a
> problem with violence against women, rooted in the strong influence
of the
> Catholic church on public life, Polish minister for gender equality
Magdalena
> Sroda said.

And now for the obligatory Catholic bashing.  What's next?  Will you
call us micks, waps, degos, or pollocks?

> "Catholicism does not directly support or oppose violence against
women. But
> there are indirect links through culture which is strongly based on
religion,"
> Sroda told Reuters.

Ugh.  If you only uttered meaningful statements, you'd never say
anything.

> "It is a structure based on patriarchal domination of God the Father
and the
> less important role of woment can be seen for example in the letters
of Saint
> Paul," she said.

Hey, St. Paul didn't write to women.  What are you gonna do.  Would you
have stood on the road to Tarsus with picket signs?

It's really not "domination" of God the Father.  What does he dominate?
He's never made me do anything.  People believe in him by .... choice,
to use one of your favorite words, you baboon.

> Asma Jahangir, U.N. Special Rapporteur on religious freedom, said
many courts
> condoned patriarchial violence by letting the perpetrators get away
with "a
> slap on the wrist."

Have you considered approaching the courts instead of the Church?

> "In 405 documented cases of honour killings in Afghanistan so far
this year
> only 20 arrests were made," she said.

The Soviets once tried to force modern values on Afghanistan.  It
didn't work out so well.  I doubt that crowds of bellowing buzzcuts
could do any better.

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