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echo: educator
to: DAN TRIPLETT
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-08-16 02:12:00
subject: Re: Ivan Illich

 -=> Quoting Dan Triplett to Michael Martinez <=-
 DT> MICHAEL MARTINEZ spoke of Re: Ivan Illich to DAN TRIPLETT on 08-14-96
 
 MM>You see the kinds of words you're using, though?  "Certified" and
 MM>things like that.  We shouldn't have to be certified.  Things should
 MM>be easily accessible, like open-air marketplaces.
 DT> Sounds like a familiar cry:  "It's not fair!"  Often the battle cry of
 DT> those who don't like to have to work to prove themselves or "pay their
 DT> dues" as they say.  Life is not fair.  Never has bee  completely fair.
 DT> We shouldn't have to be certified?  But we do -- learn to live with
 DT> it. 
We don't HAVE to be certified.  Only when you limit yourself by accepting
and believing it, do you think that there's no other way.  But there are
other, better ways.  Life is LESS opportune and LESS fair right now,
under the current way of things, than it needs to be.  The necessary change
is only difficult because it opposes the interests of policy-makers
and politicians who prefer to keep their wealth and power.  It is in
their interests only. It's not in yours or my interests to have things
continue the way they are.
 DT> As I read your post on Illich I am brought to wonder just how much 
 DT> change needs to happen in our society as a whole in order for the 
 DT> structure of schools to change. I am also made to wonder, that if 
 DT> Illich's ideas are so great, there where are his followers.  As far as
 DT> I  can remember, I have never heard of him in any serious vein before. 
That's because you only read the normal, standard stuff that people hand
to you.  Open your horizons.
-michael
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