"Hyerdahl"  wrote in message
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> MCP wrote:
> > http://jkalb.org/node/2?PHPSESSID=c066e75b5ddd57acfbeee3bae553c7f3
> >
> > Feminism" means so many different things that it appears to mean very
> > little.
>
> It's basic premise, that women are human and deserve equal rights is
> more than enough.  Thus, many women can use that premise to go in many
> directions, and the intrinsic meaning of equality is still there.
>
>
> Its advocates constantly contradict each other and themselves. In
> > casting off feminine reserve and modesty they seem to have learned
> > intellectual shamelessness as well.
>
> There is no "feminine reserve" and today women are doing
everything men
> are doing PLUS gestating.  If you look up the word reserve, it means to
> save, and there's no reason for women to save themselves for a husband
> any more than there is for a husband to save himself for a wife.
> Feminists don't accept double standards.
>
>
>  Rather than damaging feminism, its incoherence offers an easy defense
> against criticism: whatever the> complaint, the response is that it
> misses the mark because feminism is> really something else.
>
> However feminists use the notion that women are human and deserve equal
> rights that basic premise continues on.  That's what feminism is no
> matter how it is materialized.
>
>
> >(edit)
> >
> > The result of the victory of feminism has been a combination of
> disorder and
> > state tyranny cascading from America throughout the world, from the
> most
> > immediate personal relationships to high culture and international
> politics.
>
> Internationally, more and more women are freeing themselves from the
> bonds of their oppressors.  Yes, feminism has had victory, and they
> aren't going back.
> Get used to it.
>
> > Feminism has meant suspicion and hostility where mutual reliance is
> an
> > absolute necessity.
>
> Feminism is victorious and men still must rely on women if they want
> progeny, leaving bitter boys to fend for themselves, and boy are they
> pissed!
>
>
> It has meant> confusion and misery for the young, who have been
> deprived of stable family life and concrete ideals of adulthood.
>
> Young girls now have something to be happy about as they grow up to
> want to emulate their professional mothers.  It used to be they had
> nothing to look forward to; now all that has changed.  There is no
> confusion at all in families where egalitarian men do their fair share
> of the unpaid work at home.
> Not all men are pigs.
>
> (edit)
> >
> > In fact, to be antifeminist is simply to accept that men and women
> differ
> > and rely on each other to be different, and to view the differences
> as among
> > the things constituting human life that should be reflected where
> > appropriate in social attitudes and institutions. By feminist
> standards all
> > societies have been thoroughly sexist.
>
> Today, all societies are looking toward greater democracy where women
> are accorded the same rights as men.  The word "appropriate" does not
> mean 'whatever men want'.  :-)0
>
>
>  It follows that to be antifeminist is> only to abandon the bigotry of
> a present-day ideology that sees traditional> relations between the
> sexes as simply a matter of domination and submission,> and to accept
> the validity of the ways in which human beings have actually> dealt
> with sex, children, family life and so on. Antifeminism is thus>
> nothing more than the rejection of one of the narrow and destructive>
> fantasies of an age in which such things have been responsible for
> destruction and murder on an unprecedented scale. It is opening oneself
> to> the reality of things.
>
> The reality you don't want to see is young women working side by side
> in business with young men.  When I was a girl, only women served the
> soup; today all that has changed.  Boys are no longer guaranteed the
> best jobs and girls compete for them.  The world has changed and you
> can either change with it or stick your head in the sand.
>
>
> >
> > Acceptance of the legitimacy and usefulness of sex roles is an
> exercise of
> > ordinary good sense. Stable and functional families are necessary for
> a
> > tolerable way of life, and they will not exist unless men and women
> each
> > have something specific to offer that the other is entitled to rely
> on.
>
> Women are laughing at your idea of "sex roles" and they refuse to be
> limited by them.  If you want the woman's sex role as prescribed by
> patriarchy, you do it.
> (edit)
> >
> >>Circumstances thus favor feminism, and a restored system of sex roles
> will
> > not be brought back by fiat. A system of sexual cooperation must be
> > generally acceptable to both men and women, and reflect current
> conditions
> > as well as human nature.
>
> Since women are working side by side with men for the same salaries, or
> fighting companies in court where there is discrimination, what do you
> have in your arsenal to force women to quit?  Answer:  you have
> nothing.  More women are in college today than ever before.  They want
> jobs.  They'll get jobs.
> Women need not EVER "cooperate" with pigs.  The men women choose, if
> they choose men, will not be sexist pigs. And that is why you are
> hollering.
>
>  What must be done now is to eliminate arbitrary
> > ideological demands and open up discussion so that considerations
> > fundamental to normal human life but at odds with institutional
> interests
> > can once again find expression and play their necessary role in
> public and
> > private life.
>
> I don't see women lining up for any such discussion.  Even in
> Afghanistan that discussion is passe'.  Women and men can both be
> partners, spouses and parents without giving up their rights.  Both can
> marry; both can divorce.  There are no roles that limit women that
> WOMEN are willing to resign.  Get used to it.
>
> Extensive discussion and experimentation will be necessary to
> > that end, things now impossible because of feminist laws and
> censorship.
> > Almost alone, the Internet retains its independence and holds out
> hope that
> > resistance and free discussion may still be possible.
>
> Hahahahaha...yeah...they're still waiting for that poor soul who was
> supposed to go to court for something called "c4M".  It's been about
> ten years now, no?
> Go....go ....go.....
>
> >
> > In the end feminism cannot win because it radically undermines any
> stable
> > and productive ordering of private life.
>
> Feminism HAS won.  Women are everywhere, and you can't stop them.
>
> By disordering reproduction and childrearing it puts long-term social
> survival in question.
>
> Not at all.  Even single women want children, even when they don't want
> you or men like you.
>
>  It has done a> great deal of damage, however, and will do much more
> before it destroys> itself. The more explicit, articulate and
> successful its opponents the more> damage can be prevented. Hence this
> page.
>
> You have no dick long enough
>
> V
> >
>




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