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from: Dustbin dustbin_address{at}
date: 2005-03-28 16:49:00
subject: What don`t Fathers4Justice have in common with the suffraget

It has been my observation that the fascists of
State never concede anything unless it suits
them or until they have are FORCED to. In effect
only something so disruptive as to substatively
inconvenience them will serve to effect change.
While theefforts of Fathers4Justice are to be
applauded (and I know that many on this ng will
applaud) unless the establishment is thoroughly
inconvenienced naught will come of it.

There are many examples throughout history. In
fact, one might even say that history is the
accumulation of those examples.

When Fathers4Justice pull a stunt, the
establishment often finds the most trivial
excuse to condemn. As we sawe with the purple
powder in the house of commons, it was the
security issue that got the attention not the
barbarity of women and the family court system.
When two men mounted the facade of Buch house it
we were told that they were lucky not to be shot
down. Every little thing will be picked upon by
the fascists of the establishment to excuse and
justify abusing these men.

Nothing new in that; remember the miner's
strike? 11,000 prosecution in twelve months. And
we have seen members of F4J persecuted on the
most trivial grounds. Meanwhile, what the judges
do to men is often far more serious and the
slime-balls in bvlue look the other way.

I could say that it is the lesson of history.
Those in power always want what they want and
will fight to the end to get what they want and
stay in position. No great battles have ever
been one without bloodshed in one form or another.

The siffragettes are often portrayed as
mild-mannered and infinitely reasonable
middle-class women who did a few silly things to
bring attention to their perceived injustice.
One of them chained themselves to the railings
of Buck house; another threw herself under the
King's horse during a race. But the girls got
their well deserved deserts when, after sterling
service in the factories during World War One,
they were rewarded with the vote.

Not really. Consider this:

--------------Begin quote
"The destruction wrought in the seven months of
1914 before the War excelled that of the
previous year. Three Scotch castles were
destroyed by fire on a single night. The
Carnegie Library in Birmingham was burnt. The
Rokeby Venus, falsly, as I consider, attributed
to Velázquez, and purchased for the National
Gallery at a cost of £45,000, was mutilated by
Mary Richardson. Romney's Master Thornhill, in
the Birmingham Art Gallery, was slashed by
Bertha Ryland, daughter of an early Suffagist.
Carlyle's portrait of Millais [sic] in the
National Portrait Gallery, and numbers of other
pictures were attacked, a Bartolozzi drawing in
the Doré Gallery being completely ruined. Many
large empty houses in all parts of the country
were set on fire, including Redlynch House,
Sommerset, where the damage was estimated at £
40,000. Railway stations, piers, sports
pavilions, haystacks were set on fire. Attempts
were made to blow up reservoirs. A bomb exploded
in Westminster Abbey, and in the fashionable
church of St George's, Hanover Square, where a
famous stained-glass window from the Malines was
damaged ... One hundred and forty-one acts of
destruction were chronicled in the Press during
the first seven months of 1914."
--------------End quote

They wreaked havoc. They caused detruction on
what for its time was a massive scale.

This is what men must do to get justice out of
the system.

The sickness of the establishment does not give
way until it is foprced to. The disease f State
must be bent over and rogered until they bleed
buckets-full.



=====
Finally, a word to our bretheren north of the
border. The reference to *Scotch castles* is in
the original quote and not my doing. I assure
all Scots that I do know the difference between
Scotch (a wee dram); Scots (the people of
Sctland) and Scottish (of, or relating to,
Scotland). Just so that you don't pour across
the border and start all that sixteenth century
stuff again.
=====

D.


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