-=> Quoting Ron McDermott to Michael Martinez <=-
 SK> I also am glad that there are certifications for such persons as
 SK> doctors, teachers, pilots, and so on. I think your idea that we should
 SK> do away with these things is, well sorry if this sounds a bit harsh,
 SK> but...ridiculous. I want to be protected from quacks.
 
 MM>You will still have protection from quacks without any certification
 MM>system.  I explained how this happens.  Word-of-mouth, direct observation
 MM>of how someone's performance, selection of the fittest.
 RM> Word-of-mouth IS certification... "Selection of the fittest"
 RM> is: 
No, there's a huge difference.  Certification is a piece of paper.  If you
have been to Mexico or dealt with people on the streets, you'll know the
difference between certification and word-of-mouth.  You don't need a 
piece of paper to buy-and-sell stuff on the streets, you don't have those
extra steps, those "procedures".
 RM> A. What happens in school now, and, 
 RM> B. ANOTHER type of certification
Ah, yes, but it's not FAIR and it is lacking in much learning power, that's
the difference.
 
 SK> Perhaps you would like to specifically point out some
 SK> of the things in your school that could have been improved.
 
 MM>No obligatory school. 
 RM> Clears everything up nicely....
 
It sure does, doesn't it?  I mean that in a literal, sweeping sense  full of
social and political ramifications.
 SK> Because, of all the people I know, a great deal of what they know they
 SK> learned in a school.
 
 MM>Really?  Could you quantify that?  I'd like to hear what you consider
 MM>their personal store of knowledge and why it comes from school, please.
 RM> Perhaps you might wish to do a better job of responding to
 RM> OUR questions first?
Na Na nee Na Na!  Are you a kid or an adult, sir?
 
 MM>The daily commute, I'm glad you brought that up.  Illich has a very
 MM>bad taste in his mouth towards "transportation".
 RM> Sounds to me as if Illich would have us all return to those
 RM> wonderful days of agrarian economy and city-states...
Naw, I don't interpret him like that.  He has a very modern bent.  He
doesn't wish for a "return" to anything of the past.  He wants to see a
fair, modern way of doing things today.
-michael
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