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In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 50 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-IJUdwfsCwaGjskv0TepEuTz84nxOOBnEqnaaCrbPLgLmTqnRNt/RgM/oKYuDq0iRjT5qC+bdOfE4L/k!RNa0IAksR2+vhRRegBX+s6nVUJKNNCxHQjwoD8CBxkH/jz+MxmaP5r3RZpL+OAlA5x32Y3HBFA== X-Complaints-To: abuse{at}giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.39 Bytes: 4007 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.sys.apple2:173567 mdj wrote: > On Feb 1, 12:28 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" wrote: >> mdj wrote: >>> On Feb 1, 1:56 am, Michael Black wrote: >>>> Or, decades later, people have forgotten or even never knew that there >>>> were home computers before the "IBM PC". Again, it's because the previous >>>> computers are dwarfed by the arrival of that computer, fused with many >>>> people having arrived after that point. It doesn't mean there weren't >>>> small computers before IBM came along, just that few remember. >>> It really didn't help that Apple themselves tried very hard to forget >>> that they made any computers before the Macintosh. It's a great >>> historical irony that whilst Apple strived to build the ultimate >>> computing 'appliance', the industry was commoditised by a machine >>> architecture that owes more than a little homage to the Apple II >> Absolutely. >> >> The IBM engineers that designed the PC looked long and hard at >> the Apple II and its runaway success and copied freely when they >> recognized a good thing. The peripheral bus is a prominent example >> of both getting it right (the bus itself) and wrong (no motherboard >> slot decoding, no plug'n'play ROM convention). >> >> Of course, the march of technology has rendered those deficits a >> non-issue, but in the early 1980s, the extra chips per card and >> software configuration problems were a real cost. > > It's a great example of excessive minimisation; they clearly failed to > recognise that peripheral cards were a user-installed part, not > engineer installed! > >> And it is very interesting that the Apple II was the result of >> Woz wanting to get the most fun potential and future-proofing as >> possible for the smallest number of chips. ;-) > > Indeed. It's also interesting that the industry (particularly in > software) still hasn't learned many of these lessons :-) Too true. But then we shouldn't expect elegance in software as long as cycles and RAM are "free" and programmers are paid by the line of code. ;-) -michael ******** Note new website URL ******** NadaNet and AppleCrate II for Apple II parallel computing! Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/ "The wastebasket is our most important design tool--and it's seriously underused." --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32* Origin: Derby City Gateway (1:2320/0) SEEN-BY: 10/1 3 34/999 120/228 123/500 128/2 140/1 222/2 226/0 236/150 249/303 SEEN-BY: 250/306 261/20 38 100 1404 1406 1410 1418 266/1413 280/1027 320/119 SEEN-BY: 393/11 396/45 633/260 267 712/848 800/432 801/161 189 2222/700 SEEN-BY: 2320/100 105 200 2905/0 @PATH: 2320/0 100 261/38 633/260 267 |
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