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to: Wayne Chirnside
from: Jeff Binkley
date: 2006-12-09 13:13:00
subject: COMMENT?

WC>Separating hydrogen currently takes more energy 
WC>than provided by that hydrogen separated unless
WC>using fossil fuel methods
WC>which solves nothing

And yet the fools on the left foist this myth onto the public as being a 
cheap, reliable, and safe replacement for petroleum.  None of which is 
true.

Jeff



WC>-> On 4 Sep 10, WAYNE CHIRNSIDE wrote to MIMI GALLANDT:
WC>-> on the subject: COMMENT? 

WC>->  JB>>They already exist.  Capitalism has to make them practical
WC>->  JB>>and affordable.  It is only a matter of time.

WC>->  MG>> I'm familiar with the hybrid, which if I understand this
WC>correctly,
WC>->  MG>> uses half gas and half electric but still uses gas.

WC>->  WC> Not only that but for the most part they simply use
WC>->  WC> petrochemical  fuels burned at remote power plants to
WC>generate the electricity that 
WC>->  WC> propels them.

WC>-> Those hybrids are using the gas engines on board to generate the
WC>-> electricity.  In So Ca where Ms Gallandt lives most electric
WC>-> energy is generated either at nuclear plants or hydro electric
WC>-> sites. 


WC>->  MG>> I'm familiar with
WC>->  MG>> "natural gas" vehicles the vast majority
of SD Transit's
WC>busses are
WC>->  MG>> powered by that, but if I'm recalling what I head correctly
WC>natural
WC>-> gas
WC>->  MG>> is found in pockets along with oil so that doesn't help
WC>-> either. OK I
WC>->  MG>> know this came from a fiction book but I read about an
WC>engine powered
WC>->  MG>> by hydrogen and I believe that hydrogen is the most common
WC>substance
WC>-> in
WC>->  MG>> the universe, maybe separating hydrogen from other elements
WC>makes it
WC>->  MG>> cost prohibitive I don't know I'm hardly a scientist. :)

WC>->  WC>  Uh, they're called *elements* because they are not further
WC>divisable
WC>->  WC> into constituent parts.

WC>->  WC> Hydrogen is indeed the most plentiful element in the universe
WC>however
WC>->  WC> that does not make it economical as a fuel until such time
WC>->  WC> a cost effective way is found to produce it.

WC>-> You don't "produce" hygrogen.  You separate from
other elements in
WC>-> compounds.  Which is waht she said.



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