From: "Joe Barr" 


That's why I pointed you at the article.  My view is that TCO studies are
generally marketing bullshit, not just MS TCO studies.  You want to flail
at the factors in one, I want to flail at them in general.



On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:03:36 +0000, Geo. wrote:

> I thought we were talking about the bullshit TCO study that says unix
> admins can handle 1000 machines but a windows admin is limited to 10? MS
> didn't fund it and it had nothing to do with initial cost so I'm kinda
> confused what you are going on about now.
>
> Geo.
>
> "Joe Barr"  wrote in message
> news:3e1882f5$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> The point I made is valid for TCO.  That point is that it is most often
>> nothing more than a marketing trick, a ploy, a deceipt, duplicity by
>> designl.
>>
>> TCO (even if valid in the first instance) for one firm is not the same
>> as TCO for another
>>
>> Microsoft is scum.  Bill Gates is a lying thief.  Richard Shupak doesn't
>> have the balls to be a thief, so he is only a liar.  Everyone at MS in
>> between the two are scum as well.  If MS funds a TCO study, you can be
>> sure that they will like more and better than the competition.  But any
>> TCO study funded by one firm is bound to be false as well.  It's not
>> just Mcicrosoft that makes it so.
>>
>> They can lie about startup costs and they can lie about ongoing.  It
>> makes no difference to them.
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>> On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:50:52 +0000, Geo. wrote:
>>
>> > That's initial cost, not admin costs.
>> >
>> > Geo.
>> >
>> > "Joe Barr"  wrote in message
>> > news:3e18220f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >>
>> >> How about this one.  It includes a copy of the infamous
"Enterprise
>> >> Agreement" as well as invoices proving the City of
Austin now has to
> pay
>> >> twice for every copy of Windows used on the desktop.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/1219.barr.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 21:41:43 +0000, Egan Orion wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Joe,
>> >> >
>> >> > Back that up in a factually based article:  I'll
quote you and link
>> >> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > All the best (as Will Z. used to say, before he sold out to
>> >> > Microsoft), Egan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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