-=> Quoting Jim Casto to Charles Murray <=-
 -=> Quoting Charles Murray to Jim Casto <=-
 
 CM> I mean tired of being made out to be the bad guy because I just
 CM> have a diffrence of opinion !
 JC> 
 JC> Then you are not "listeniing" to your "elders", young man. I have
 JC> seen few arguments with your "opinions", it's the "facts" and
 JC> "history" I usually question.
 JC> For example: You said something like "Seatbelt laws are
 JC> un-Constitutional." I don't disagree with your _opinion_. I just point
 JC> out that they are not. You have yet to show me that they are.
 JC> 
 JC> You make statements like "Government is oppressive and the U.S.
 JC> people are not free." I didn't disagree with your _opinion_. I said
 JC> that it's "anarchy" to state that _all_ government is inherently bad.
 JC> (You aren't an anarchist if you think _some_ government is bad.)
     WEARING of seatbelts is a law in most states, we aren't talking
     personal safety ... we are talking you are _NOW_ a criminal if
     you do not wear them . Where is the justice here please ?
 JC>
 JC> I can guarantee you that you and I can probably agree that _some_
 JC> laws are stupid. That's not _my_ point. My point is that those laws
 JC> were either put in place by the people or their duly elected
 JC> representatives. And if we don't like those laws there _are_ ways to
 JC> get them changed. Simply disobeying laws because they are (in our
 JC> _individual_ opinions) _stupid_ or "bad", is a "crime" against the
 JC> choices of the "community" and hence our fellow man.  
 JC> Since the beginning of time and in virtually every culture there have
 JC> been "crimes" (or taboos, if you will). The "crimes" _usually_
 JC> involved relationships (like who(m) one could marry). Now if I was in
 JC> an ancient culture I might think that the "law" that says I can't
 JC> marry SuzieQ _simply_ because she is related to my mother and not my
 JC> father is really _stupid_ because I'm in "love". But that wouldn't
 JC> give me the "right" to marry SuzieQ. If SuzieQ and I _did_ violate the
 JC> "law" we would be subject to whatever the "communal" punishment might
 JC> be. Then again, we could simply leave and start our own community that
 JC> didn't have such a _stupid_ law. 
 JC> Jim 
 JC> (BTW... I HATE seatbelts because they chafe my neck something awful,
 JC> but I still use them and insist that others riding with me do, too.)
     I am not a anarchist, I believe in having many laws, laws that
     protect, serve and defend the innocent, young or elderly. I do
     strongly dissagree with the tax system,the IRS and the federal
     reserve as they are being used . I was not yet born when these
     things/acts/programs etc. were enacted I am only 43 . So I never
     had a choice in a matter of voting for them .NOTE: enacted they
     were not voted on by the people, the people never had a choice
     in the matter (and the federal reserve is a PRIVATE banking -
     institute) it is not public and nor dose it belong to the people
     but maybe you did not know this FACT...   I was not asked to
     vote for a seatbelt law in my state . NEVER! And all I say is if
     you are truely happy being a slave to these agents of control and
     wish not to see any reform peace be with you! but I have the right
     to complain and ask why of my goverment . So I say once more ...
     refuse to pay these taxes and see how long you have you "so called"
     freedom :) you only own what they allow , they the goverment be it
     local or federal own you via you taxes . And agree or dissagree
     with what the taxes are used for is not the question. I say these are
     bad laws made by a bad goverment, not the goverment as written about
     in Our US Constitution by the people and for the people but by a
     few who control all the others. Now if you are truely happy being
     a slave, I will say no more . This is my final message in this
     matter there will be no need for a return , I am sorry and  I do
     apoloigze but I see no farther need to beat this horse.
     Charles
 
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