-=> Quoting Charles Murray to Jim Casto <=-
 CM> I mean tired of being made out to be the bad guy because I just
 CM> have a diffrence of opinion !
 
 Then you are not "listeniing" to your "elders", young man. I have seen few
 arguments with your "opinions", it's the "facts" and "history" I usually
 question.
 For example: You said something like "Seatbelt laws are un-Constitutional."
 I don't disagree with your _opinion_. I just point out that they are not.
 You have yet to show me that they are.
 
 You make statements like "Government is oppressive and the U.S. people
 are not free." I didn't disagree with your _opinion_. I said that it's
 "anarchy" to state that _all_ government is inherently bad. (You aren't
 an anarchist if you think _some_ government is bad.)
 
 I can guarantee you that you and I can probably agree that _some_ laws are
 stupid. That's not _my_ point. My point is that those laws were either put
 in place by the people or their duly elected representatives. And if we
 don't like those laws there _are_ ways to get them changed. Simply 
isobeying
 laws because they are (in our _individual_ opinions) _stupid_ or "bad", is
 a "crime" against the choices of the "community" and hence our fellow man. 
 
 Since the beginning of time and in virtually every culture there have been
 "crimes" (or taboos, if you will). The "crimes" _usually_ involved
 relationships (like who(m) one could marry). Now if I was in an ancient
 culture I might think that the "law" that says I can't marry SuzieQ _simply_
 because she is related to my mother and not my father is really _stupid_
 because I'm in "love". But that wouldn't give me the "right" to marry 
uzieQ.
 If SuzieQ and I _did_ violate the "law" we would be subject to whatever the
 "communal" punishment might be. Then again, we could simply leave and start
 our own community that didn't have such a _stupid_ law.
 Jim 
 (BTW... I HATE seatbelts because they chafe my neck something awful, but I
 still use them and insist that others riding with me do, too.)
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