DB> Okay, so here we have a claim from you.  Where is this information
 DB> from?  So far, I see a claim by Klass (backed up by demonstrations
 DB> in one of his books or articles) and a claim by George backed up
 DB> by...nothing.
 DB> GJO> The letterheard is also unchanged in all documents.  Thus the claim
 DB> of
 DB> GJO> photocoping is void.
 DB> The claim is void because George SAYS it's void?  Wow.  I wish I had
 DB> that kind of power.  "Your claim is void.  I have spoken."
 DB> GJO> 2) The claim the Cutler could not have written the
 DB> Cutler-Twining
 DB> GJO> memo since he was in Europe is also a extremely bad arguement.
 DB> GJO> The actually document has no signature on it from Cutler or
 DB> the
 DB> GJO> /s? symbol.
 DB> Again, we have only your word for these things.
 DB> GJO> 3) The waterpaper is wrong on the Cutler-Twining memo
 DB> document.
 DB> GJO> Wrong...the paper used was Fox paper as denoted on the  document.
 DB> GJO> Fox paper was contacted and it stated that it made this  paper
 DB> GJO> between 1953 and early 1970's.  The document was dated 1954.
 DB> GJO> The were other claims of false classification and marks, and  other
 DB> GJO> number issue, which however provided little serious evidence
 DB> to
 DB> GJO> class the documents a hoax (not including the later supposed
 DB> GJO> Majestic-12 recovery manual).
 DB> Read:  Anything you don't want to talk about is "little serious
 DB> evidence."
 DB> GJO> What it does clear show is that skeptics are just as much
 DB> GJO> susceptible to excepting lies as are the extreme U.F.O groupies.
 DB> So far we have only YOUR word that they are "lies," George.
 DB> Meanwhile, most of the rest of the UFOlogical community has long
 DB> since properly categorized MJ-12 as a blatant hoax.  Actually,
 DB> the repeated discussion of such obvious nonsense was one of the
 DB> reasons I grew tired of this echo, resigned as Assistant Moderator,
 DB> and left a while ago.  Frankly, I have even less time to spend on
 DB> such things now than I did then, and I've probably spent more time
 DB> than MJ-12 is worth already. That said, if you are serious about
 DB> discussing this and actually provide evidence to back your claims,
 DB> I am quite willing to serve as a go-between with you and Phil Klass.
 DB> It may take some time, but I have sent him snail mail before
 DB> regarding claims made here (the Friedman bet, for example) and would
 DB> be willing to do so again -- as I said, IF you provide some backing
 DB> for your claims.
 DB> When I was here, it seemed no progress was ever made in UFOlogy.
 DB> I was hoping that maybe some things had changed.  But in UFOlogy,
 DB> it seems that almost never happens.  :-(  A well-known skeptic
 DB> (though I can't recall which one) said it best: For UFOlogy,
 DB> it will always be 1947.
 I got the above information and the replies to your posts in Skeptics from 
Friedman work.....he spent a great deal of time discussing Klass and his 
claims about the documents.  All I can tell is that the documents have not be 
disproven by Klass.  Friedman in his majic 12 book addressed all these 
problems and I used them in the post to you.
       Even if Klass fails to disprove the Majestic-12 documents, i still 
have my doubts.  My main reason for posting about this topic, is not that it 
supports the Extraterrestrial/ufo hypothesis but rather because Skeptics 
which have not even looked at these documents and their analysis, believe the 
they have been dis      .  Anyhow, I what to see a government MJ-12 doc first 
before I am convinced (meaning some agency admits it theirs). 
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