-=> Quoting Charles Murray to Jim Casto <=-
 CM> I'm not anarchist Jim, I'm a realist
 realism: a tendency to face facts and be practical
 CM> and as such anti-socalist!
 "socialism: a theory of the ownership and operation  of the means and
 production and distribution by society, with all members sharing in the 
 work and the products."
 "capitalism: the economic system in which the means of production and
 distribution are privately owned and operated for profit."
 Which do you prefer?
 CM> No one was talking about anarchy
 When you start saying that "seat belt" laws and vehicle license plates are
 "un-Constitutional" and that _you_ should have the freedom to drive wherever
 and whenever _you_ please _regardless_ of what the _rest_ of your community
 has decided, that is, indeed, anarchy.
 
 anarchy: the absence of government
 CM> we were talking about un-fair taxes in the name of freedom.
 No, we _weren't_ talking about "unfair taxes". The impression I get from 
hat
 you say is that _you_ think _all_ forms of taxation (such as the multiple
 taxes levied on the production and distribution of bread) are unfair. As for
 "in the name of freedom"...? That's _exactly_ why we pay taxes. For a 
entral
 government to help protect those freedoms.
 CM> Next time refuse the pay into the "voluntary" IRS tax system and see
 just how free you really are.
 If I didn't want to pay into the U.S. tax system at _all_, I would simply
 move to another country. But... By judicious use of a 401K I _do_ reduce my
 tax burden and defer some of it to a later date. When I turn 62 I will also
 defer my county property tax until after I am dead.
 
 I don't object to taxes per se (as you seem to do). What _I_ object to is 
ow
 my tax money is _spent_. And I exercise my Constitutional right to express
 that disagreement at the ballot box.
 CM> ... Save the whales , we'll eat them last !
 
 Does that mean you're opposed to the Makah hunting whales for historical,
 traditional purposes? What happened to "religious freedom"?
 
 Jim
 
 (definitions above from: Webster's New World Dictionary of the American 
 Language, Warner Books, 1984) 
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