viking wrote:
> On 4 Jan 2005 15:23:55 -0800, "bluesmama"

> wrote:
>
> >I'm unsure as to what you mean by "it's a fight" and
"what's needed
is
> >action" and do you think that men acting alone, are going to change
> >these things? I'm not being sassy or saying men can't accomplish
> >incredible things, so please don't see offense where none is
intended.

Be sassy if you want to be sassy.  Try not to shout obscenities, but if
you have a 'tude, show it.

> >I'm just asking how you think things should proceed.

Women do what they can to control us.  Their pressure groups promote
laws to limit our behavior, put more of us in jail, make us more
vulnerable to women, and transfer our money to women.  As with previous
oppressed groups, there will be violent and non-violent resistance.
There were the Minutemen, and Ghandi.  There were MLK and Malcom X.
Since men aren't identical in their beliefs, we will have different
ideas on how to regain our liberty.

I believe the most effective manner is non-violent resistance.  Since
our work drives the economic engine, we can bring society to a
screeching halt by .... staying home.  But it will have to get much
worse before that happens, since most men still don't see what's up.
They get home from work, turn on the tube, and see yet another story of
some dastardly "deadbeat dad" being hauled away in chains for not
having enough money.  They pump a celebratory fist into the air without
noticing the catheters in their own necks.

Also, nothing is the most difficult thing for us to do.  Most men want
to be productive.

> I do believe that today, men are in a staggeringly inferior position
> culturally, legally, medically, and more. Much of that is simply
taken
> for granted, as in, if the draft were renewed, it'd be men-only; with
> the death-age gap, social security functions largely as a way to
> siphon money from men to women (who get 4-5x as much retirement as
> men), the hatefulness and vindictiveness of family law, the fact that

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> colleges when there are virtually none left for men, etc etc. I can't
> go on all day.

You needn't.  You've already written a great synopsis of the issues we
face.  Nice job.

> These kinds of issues, I believe, have to be rectified before you can
> start talking about men and women just "getting along". These kinds
of

Absolutely.  Cathy Young wrote that moronic _Ceasefire_ garbage,
purposely ignoring that we weren't firing.  Her book could easily be
summarized as, "Men, shut up and take what we give you."  This is why I
get suspicious when someone comes along wanting men to just "get
along."  What they're really saying is that they want us not to put up
such a fight, not that the fight we put up is anything near what it can
be. 

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