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to: Chris Robinson
from: Joe Barr
date: 2003-01-24 06:46:40
subject: Re: Geo. in Perens interview

From: "Joe Barr" 


But the whole point of the scripting delta is that it is the scripting
which expands an admin's reach, allowing them to be more productive, not
less, in comparison to their gooey constrained cousins.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:16:58 +0000, Chris Robinson wrote:

> Here's a thought:  If Linux/ UNIX relies a lot more on scripting and, as
> you say, less admin tools are developed as a result of this then would it
> not be the case the for every Windows aAdmin you may well nedd two Linux
> Admins (the idea being that the Windows admin tools save a significant
> amount of time).  Also, a lot of IT departments have scaled down due to
> the fact that so many more things in a Windows environment are automated
> (software patch deployment, domain admin tools etc) - would IT departments
> need to scale-up in order to switch to Linux?
>
> Chris (n.b. these are just thoughts "thrown up in the air" -
they may well
> be crap :oP)
>
> "Geo." wrote:
>
>> "Joe Barr"  wrote in message
>> news:3e2c4a49$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>
>> > So they realize that "Yes, we actually do have them beat
in areas."
>>
>> Every OS has it's strong points. Unix/Linux is very flexible and does
>> allow a lot of scripting. OTOH the ease of scripting has IMO hurt linux
>> admin tools development because the tool developers don't hear the
>> screaming before someone scripts something.
>>
>> > What
>> > you're saying is that Linux sysadmins are in general more competent,
>> > which brings up emotional issues. It may be that the competent people
>> > simply do not choose to work on other platforms. I would not criticize
>> > Chad's study on that basis.
>>
>> Consider this, maybe it's not an issue of competent admins but more an
>> issue of non admins calling themselves admins? I think if you compare
>> apples to apples, select two admins, one windows and one unix, both with
>> 10 years experience, you will find them pretty much equal in their
>> respective abilities.
>>
>> Did Chad's study take years of experience into consideration?
>>
>> Geo.

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