Avenger wrote:
> "Mark Sobolewski"  wrote in message
> news:mark_sobolewski-83850A.14201726032005{at}news.central.cox.net...
> > In article ,
> >  S.Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > >                    Harvard University
> > > Men's Studies  (MS101) -- Final Exam,   Dec 2004
> > > Instructions:   Answer all questions
> > >
> >
> >
> > > 6.  Why is it that when you buy a woman flowers or pay for
dinner, she
> > > and all her friends call you a gentleman?
> >
> > One of the legacies of the women's equality movement has
> > been the elimination of the gentleman.  Women who generally
> > expect this chivalry and support equality for women consider
> > such treatment as an entitlement.  Men should simply
> > do that because they're men.
> >
> > > Why is it that when you ask her and her friends why she never
buys you
> > > flowers or why she never pays for dinner, they call you a woman
hater?
> >
> > Naw.  Meal ho's call men who refuse to pay a "cheapskate".
> > (How is this an insult?  "Look at that guy!  He doesn't
> > blow money all around!"  My Polish relatives would never
> > be insulted to hear that they were cheapskates, God bless 'em.
> >
> > > 8.  a) Why is it that the price to enter your favorite bar on
Friday
> > > night is $15 for men but only $5 for women?
> >
> > The myth of ladies night: That it helped men to score chicks.
> >
> > Back when I was young and foolish and tried to pick up
> > chicks at bars, I rarely saw ladies night happen on a friday.
> > Heck, most businesses I went to whether it was for carwashes
> > or the shooting range wouldn't have specials on the days
> > or nights they were most busy.  That would be a waste
> > of a promotion.
> >
> > They would typically have ladies' night on a wednesday
> > or some other day that people generally didn't want to
> > go out to begin with.  And then, there was no guarantee
> > that the ladies going out really wanted to get laid.
> > After all, they usually had to go to work the next
> > morning.  They usually went out in groups and it really
> > was a "ladies' night" out as in men optional.
> >
> > The best time to find chicks off their guard and even
> > having time for a bit of sexual flirtation was the
> > happy hour.  Happy hour has half price for EVERYONE,
> > people are fresh out of work, and if someone does shack
> > up there is a lot of time to get down.
> >
> > Other happening places are usually the high class
> > business hotel bars.  A friend of mine, the bastard,
> > whose a real ladies man gave me this secret just as
> > I was getting married and couldn't do anything with it.
>
> And you didn't know that  lol At your age!

Well, I didn't know about it before. :-)

> The females who are traveling for
> business and in town for a few days always feel freer:o) Just like on
> holiday.

Actually, most of the people in these hotel bars tend to be local
professionals who dress up real nice.  I think the reason it
works better than "ladies" night is that the ladies who want
to get screwed want to see men dressed in expensive clothes
blowing big money on drinks.  It's ok too for the lady to blow
money, but she wants to feel like she's at a fancy place.

> > > b) Why is it that no feminist has challenged this in court as
> > > discrimination?
> >
> > A better question is why are there men who oppose this?
> >
> > A lot of men find the mens rights activists who are
> > suing bars up and down the coast of california
> > as villans.  Yet, as you can see above, places that
> > have discounts for women aren't getting a lot of hot
> > horny chicks going there for the cheap drinks.
>
> Yes, why should they go for cheap drinks when they can go when the
men are
> there and get FREE drinks  lol  duh

Yeah, but that's not until some guy they like picks them up.
They might wait an hour or two for a decent man they find
attractive to saunter up.  So in the meantime, they're
stuck footing the bill.

And most women don't go out alone looking to get laid especially
on the cheap either with tons of horny men and cheap women around.
That's why such women prefer the business hotel bar route.

> > The costs are subsidized by all the additional men
> > who arrive to compete for any that do show up.
> > So there's no point.  But American men are largely P-whipped
> > and don't think about this.
> >
> > In European dance clubs, women usually get in free.
>
> No Mark. They pay like everyone else even in Moscow.

Interesting.  In Poland and Ukraine, the dance clubs usually
charge the fee only for the men.  Young men largely do not
have a lot of spare cash for these clubs unless they're
taking out their girlfriends and (unlike in the US),
I didn't see a lot of young women go out in groups to
dance the night away with each other.

So what I suspect happens is that the discount kind of exists
to encourage the men to bring a date.

> And unlike US females
> they are prepared to pay for a drink too. I'd really like to know how
many
> females carry enough cash to pay their own way rather than depend on
wimpy
> men to buy them a drink.

Consider that the eastern bloc nations are culturally similar
to the US during the 1970's: They are breaking out of a cultural
straight jacket of communism (while the US was breaking out
of puritanism) and women are eager to show that they aren't
going to try to double dip.

Back in the 70's and early early 80's, I saw a lot of young American
women ready to pay for their drinks too, no strings attached.
That changed as the women felt some degree of security in
the workplace.

> > All year round.  However, men don't go to these
> > clubs to pick up nookie.  They usually take out
> > their girlfriends.
>
> Usually. But many girls in Moscow go with their gf's and meet men
there.

I wouldn't judge the whole eastern bloc by Moscow.  That's a very
special place. :-)  In fact, I would probably be just as
apprehensive about dating a Moscow girl as I would a NYC girl.

> > In many areas, women generally get lower ages of consent
> > and empowerment because of their tendency to "mature" younger.
>
> Where?

There are were areas in the US where the legal age of adulthood
was lower for women than men.  I don't know if they fixed the laws.
Also, women kind of were able to sneak into bars earlier than
men (a kind of "ladies night") rule.

The US is F'ed up in that they really take the 21 age limit
on alcohol seriously as if it were hard narcotics.  It's
not uncommon to see enforcers out to check IDs and see if
everyone, even young women, are of legal age so the barkeeps
are getting a bit more stringent about checking the women's
ids as well.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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