MICHAEL MARTINEZ spoke of Re: Ivan Illich to DAN TRIPLETT on 08-14-96
MM> -=> Quoting Dan Triplett to Michael Martinez <=-
MM> DT> If we  simply left things up to parents with no laws governing
MM> DT> their parental  responsibility children would be put at serious
MM> DT> risk.  
MM>No, only a small handful of children who have lousy parents.  Most
MM>parents aren't lousy.  We're here on Earth, aren't we?  We survived
MM>tens of thousands of years, with no laws, different laws, opposing
MM>laws, changed laws ...
So then you are saying in the interest of the total freedom of others 
it's ok with you if any number of children are put at serious risk, both 
educationally and emotionally, not to mention the risk of physical abuse 
that is not uncommon in many families?  
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MM> DT> Regarding school  attendance, without laws some parents would
MM> DT> neglect to send their kids  to school.
MM> 
MM>That's a good thing, not a bad thing!
How is it a good thing that children would be neglected?
If Illich supports this concept you can have it.
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MM> MM> DT> I am sure Illich has some ideas that can benefit education.
MM> MM> DT> But to  suggest the whole system be dismantled and then
MM> MM> DT> restructured is not  reality.
MM> 
MM> DT>I say to you that we have
MM> DT> one of the  best educational systems in the world today.
MM> 
MM>Does that mean it's good, or merely the best of something that's
MM>shoddy to start with?
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It's exactly this kind of language that will alienate those in education 
that you would like to have listen to you.  When you say that our 
current system is shoddy you turn off the ears of many teachers, myself 
included, instead of getting them to listen.  When people begin to cut 
down the educational system teachers take it personal.
I should mention that such language is not appropriate for this forum 
and if you care to dialogue further regarding Illich I hope you will 
keep those remarks to yourself.   
Dan
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