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>In a message dated 98-04-13 03:03:57 EDT, you write:
>
><< Submitted for your approval:
>
>
> "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who
> would resist us have been totally disarmed."
>
>                                   -Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control
> Inc, to Sen. Howard
>                                    Metzanbaum, The National Educator,
> January 1994, Page 3.
>
>
> Oops!  When she steps in it she *really* steps in it!
>
> Jon
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>Great, here's yet another made up internet special designed to keep folks
from
>talking and debating honestly. I know for certain that Sara Brady, how ever
>much you and others may hate her, happens to be a life long Republican. No
>Republican who ever lived would ever make such a stupid statement. And the
>"proof" offered on the internet site that is pushing this crap is so
obviously
>a fake it's amazing you guys go for it. The best this guy can do is say, 
ell
>they haven't denied it so it must be true!        http://usa-
>patriot.net/sbquote.html
>
>Why fight dirty anyways? It invariably backfires and does more harm than
good.
>Eventually folks will figure out that they're being lied to and the cause
will
>suffer as a result.
>dtf
>
>
Well, I guess that caps it for this time, Dean.  You'll get the last word
(as many times as you want) because I'm done.  It's apparent that you will
only believe what you want to believe.  Everything you don't believe is
"bogus" or "made up".  I think that's a little convenient.
Now you try to spin-doctor the above quote that was not only published in a
standard journal, but the guy who first posted it to a web site tried very
hard (if you read what is shown there) to verify it with the editor of the
magazine.  Nobody is denying the quote.  If I were Sarah Brady I'd be suing
the magazine for a retraction, if it wasn't an accurate quote!  This is
very damaging to have attributed to a person in her position.
Since I don't speak personally with Sarah Brady, Neal Knox, Wayne LaPiere,
etc. there is no way I can give you a quote that you might believe -
something that I heard personally.  If it seems outragous to you then it's
instantly false.
What if she did say it?
Just because Ms. Brady may call herself a "life-long Republican" that
doesn't make her one any more than you saying you're a Crosman Expert makes
you one!
You *proved* to us that you're a Crosman Expert and to some of us Sarah
Brady has proven what she is.
Now I'm as tired of this as LD!
Your turn, Dean.
Jon
P.S.  By the way, Dean, do you post about airguns on this Airgun List
anymore?  I thought by setting an example you might belly up to the table!
I *know* you've got knowledge to share.  How about dishing a little of that
out too!
Red Ryder BB Gun identification
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We were discussing BB guns the other day and I wanted to pass on a few
pointers regarding the first model Red Ryder Carbine.
The very first production "run" of this BB gun is the most desirable to
collectors and commands a premium over most of the other models.
If you're not particularly interested in BB guns, but attend gun shows or
garage sales it's worth the extra few minutes it takes to give a cursory
glance at the BB guns anyway.  There are always buyers out there.  It
becomes especially rewarding when you find something worth several hundred
dollars!
The Red Ryder Carbine in question is a blued steel BB gun with a wooden
buttstock and forend.  The Red Ryder "lasso" logo is burned into the LEFT
side of the stock and there is a  steel ring on the left side of the frame
that originally held a piece of leather lacing.
The cocking lever is CAST IRON (not aluminum or stamped steel).
If you can read the writing on the top it says:
Red Ryder Carbine
No. 111 - Model 40 (patent numbers)
Daisy Mfg. Co. Plymouth, Michigan U.S.A.
The most desirable Daisy's were made in Plymouth, before their move to
Arkansas in the late 1950's (?) (or was it the early 1960's?)
The most striking feature of the first Red Ryder Carbine are the two
copper-plated steel bands.  One around the front of the forend and one near
the muzzle holding the BB tube under the "barrel".  This obvious feature
identifies the gun as first production from as far away as you can see it.
This is what I look for first.  There are much later, painted steel, guns
that have a "fake" copper coating on these bands, but they weren't made in
Plymouth.  Make sure you check.
The problem is that this flash coating of copper (over the steel) can wear
away with use.
If you're in doubt then don't buy it, but you can figure that any BB gun
made by Daisy in Plymouth that you can pick up for $20 (if it's in good,
complete condition) is money in the bank once you meet a rabid BB gun
collector!
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