bluesmama wrote:
> Heidi Graw wrote:
> > >"bluesmama"  wrote in message
> > >news:1105375467.646670.263890{at}f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > (snip)
> >
> > >bluesmama wrote:
> > > So women were oppressed for centuries, and men have been
oppressed
> for
> > > three decades.
> >
> > Bluesmama, that is not true.  The *majority* of men had been
> oppressed under
> > a *class* system since the dawn of ages. The rich man oppressed the
> poor
> > man.  The majority of slaves were men.
>
> You are talking about oppression of men & women by mostly men,
though,
> right? Even rich women didn't have much power, beyond their sexual
> power, back at the dawn of time.
>
> The three decades of male-bias thing is what I've been hearing most
> about in these posts, from men.
>
> Men were slaughtered by the millions
> > as they were commanded, conscripted and otherwised seized to go to
> war.
>
> Commanded, conscripted or otherwise seized by women, or by other men?
>
> > As for what has been going on recently, if the men feel the scales
of
>
> > justice have tipped too far towards the feminine, then by all
means,
> let's
> > look at possible readjustments to see if a fair balance can be
> achieved.
>
> That would be the sensible approach. To have a serious and
encompassing
> look at gender issues where both genders have equal authority to
speak
> and have their opinions heard. So we could live in a balanced and
fair
> society.


I have very little confidence in the value of dialogue at this
point in time for improving the status of men in todays society. There
are a number of direct actions, however, which are, one hopes, on the
way and will do a lot of good.
First, a male birth control method (other than the horribly flawed
condom) which give men full veto rights over a pregnancy. No more
"accidents".
Routine DNA paternity testing before the assignment of any child
support payments unless the presumed father refuses and willingly takes
on the burden/benefits of dad-dom. No more paternity fraud.
The return of male only classes so that boys can escape the
mis-shapen, hostile, gynocentric school system of today.
Widespread education of young men about the realities of the divorce
industry before they marry.
There are others, but this will be a start. Dialogue has noithing to
do with it.

>
> So how do we go about doing that, when we keep getting caught up in
the
> he said-she said debate?
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