From: "Rich Gauszka" 

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In cases involving gotchas as your Nvidia example wouldn't Microsoft be =
better off by just not including those drivers in windows update? =20

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:448b497b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     This is all keyed off the PCI ID which the hardware provides.  =
Unless you are trying to ID ISA devices something like a modem it is the =
hardware that is responsible for identifying both itself and the devices =
with which it is compatible.  On Windows XP open the device manager, =
select the device of interest, right click, pick Properties, then select =
the Details tab.  The categories of interest here are Hardware Ids and =
Compatible Ids.  For example, my video adapter provides the following =
hardware IDs

    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_030000
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300

  and the following compatible IDs

    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322
    PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000
    PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300
    PCI\VEN_10DE
    PCI\CC_030000
    PCI\CC_0300

  How the device driver is selected from these IDs is explained at =
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112.  I didn't read through the =
article so I don't know if it points out one gotcha that are = particularly
relevant to OEM devices like nvidia display adapters.  The = gotcha is that
the OEMs make changes but forget to change the PCI IDs.  = In other words,
multiple incompatible devices claim to be the same or = compatible.  I
don't have this issue with any of my current hardware but = I have two
friends/family that have systems with OEM nvidia adapters = that claim to
be compatible with the nvidia drivers but don't work = unless you use
customized OEM drivers.  This sounds exactly like the = problem you have
only I think both these folks are using dell systems = not asus systems.

  Rich


    "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
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    "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message=20
    news:448b1020$1{at}w3.nls.net...
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    > "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message=20
    > news:448b05af$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >>
    >>
    >> Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying some =
of my=20
    >> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something that gives me a log of =

    >> confidence in their hardware identification . Technically its =
not a MS=20
    >> Driver ( from NVIDIA ) but they are the ones deciding I may need =
it.
    >>
    >
    > One time I blue screened and hosed my system with an internal =
modem update=20
    > WU thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware =
update=20
    > recommendations ever since
    >

    That will teach a lesson . I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it =
still=20
    seems to mis identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly an =
unknown=20
    MB maker/


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In cases involving gotchas as your =
Nvidia example=20
wouldn't Microsoft be better off by just not including those drivers in = windows=20
update?  
 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:448b497b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     This is
all keyed off =
the PCI ID=20
  which the hardware provides.  Unless you are trying to ID ISA =
devices=20
  something like a modem it is the hardware that is responsible for =
identifying=20
  both itself and the devices with which it is compatible.  On =
Windows XP=20
  open the device manager, select the device of interest, right click, =
pick=20
  Properties, then select the Details tab.  The categories of =
interest here=20
  are Hardware Ids and Compatible Ids.  For example, my video =
adapter=20
  provides the following hardware IDs
   
  
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1PCI\=
VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&am=
p;CC_030000PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300
   
  and the following compatible =
IDs
   
  
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_032=
2PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300PCI\VEN_10=
DEPCI\CC_030000PCI\CC_0300
   
  How the device driver is selected =
from these IDs=20
  is explained at http://support.microsoft" target="new">http://support.microsoft.=">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/279112. =20
  I didn't read through the article so I don't know if it points out one =
gotcha=20
  that are particularly relevant to OEM devices like nvidia display=20
  adapters.  The gotcha is that the OEMs make changes but forget to =
change=20
  the PCI IDs.  In other words, multiple incompatible devices claim =
to be=20
  the same or compatible.  I don't have this issue with any of my =
current=20
  hardware but I have two friends/family that have systems with OEM =
nvidia=20
  adapters that claim to be compatible with the nvidia drivers but don't =
work=20
  unless you use customized OEM drivers.  This sounds exactly like =
the=20
  problem you have only I think both these folks are using dell systems =
not asus=20
  systems.
   
  Rich
   
   
  
    "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:448b193f$1{at}w3.nls.net..."Rich=20
    Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:448b1020$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>>=20
    "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
    message > news:448b05af$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>>>>>>=20
    Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying some of =
my=20
    >> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something
that gives =
me a log=20
    of >> confidence in their hardware identification =
<g>.=20
    Technically its not a MS >> Driver ( from NVIDIA ) but =
they are=20
    the ones deciding I may need
it.>>>> One =
time I blue=20
    screened and hosed my system with an internal modem update > =
WU=20
    thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware update =
>=20
    recommendations ever since>That
will teach a lesson=20
    <g>. I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it still
seems to =
mis=20
    identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly an unknown =
MB=20
   
maker/

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