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   That would deny them to the bulk of the users which have good =
hardware.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:448b4db1{at}w3.nls.net...
  In cases involving gotchas as your Nvidia example wouldn't Microsoft =
be better off by just not including those drivers in windows update? =20

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:448b497b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       This is all keyed off the PCI ID which the hardware provides.  =
Unless you are trying to ID ISA devices something like a modem it is the =
hardware that is responsible for identifying both itself and the devices =
with which it is compatible.  On Windows XP open the device manager, =
select the device of interest, right click, pick Properties, then select =
the Details tab.  The categories of interest here are Hardware Ids and =
Compatible Ids.  For example, my video adapter provides the following =
hardware IDs

      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_030000
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300

    and the following compatible IDs

      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322
      PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000
      PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300
      PCI\VEN_10DE
      PCI\CC_030000
      PCI\CC_0300

    How the device driver is selected from these IDs is explained at =
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112.  I didn't read through the =
article so I don't know if it points out one gotcha that are = particularly
relevant to OEM devices like nvidia display adapters.  The = gotcha is that
the OEMs make changes but forget to change the PCI IDs.  = In other words,
multiple incompatible devices claim to be the same or = compatible.  I
don't have this issue with any of my current hardware but = I have two
friends/family that have systems with OEM nvidia adapters = that claim to
be compatible with the nvidia drivers but don't work = unless you use
customized OEM drivers.  This sounds exactly like the = problem you have
only I think both these folks are using dell systems = not asus systems.

    Rich


      "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
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      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message=20
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      >
      > "Robert G Lewis"  wrote
in message=20
      > news:448b05af$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      >>
      >>
      >> Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying =
some of my=20
      >> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something that gives me a log =
of=20
      >> confidence in their hardware identification . Technically =
its not a MS=20
      >> Driver ( from NVIDIA ) but they are the ones deciding I may =
need it.
      >>
      >
      > One time I blue screened and hosed my system with an internal =
modem update=20
      > WU thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware =
update=20
      > recommendations ever since
      >

      That will teach a lesson . I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it =
still=20
      seems to mis identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly =
an unknown=20
      MB maker/


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   That
would deny them to =
the bulk of=20
the users which have good hardware.
 
Rich
 

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:448b4db1{at}w3.nls.net...
  In cases involving gotchas as your =
Nvidia example=20
  wouldn't Microsoft be better off by just not including those drivers =
in=20
  windows update?  
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:448b497b$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       This
is all keyed off =
the PCI ID=20
    which the hardware provides.  Unless you are trying to ID ISA =
devices=20
    something like a modem it is the hardware that is responsible for=20
    identifying both itself and the devices with which it is =
compatible. =20
    On Windows XP open the device manager, select the device of =
interest, right=20
    click, pick Properties, then select the Details tab.  The =
categories of=20
    interest here are Hardware Ids and Compatible Ids.  For =
example, my=20
    video adapter provides the following hardware IDs
     
    
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0&REV_A1PCI\=
VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&SUBSYS_043110B0PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&am=
p;CC_030000PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&CC_0300
     
    and the following compatible =
IDs
     
    
      PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0322&REV_A1PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_032=
2PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_030000PCI\VEN_10DE&CC_0300PCI\VEN_10=
DEPCI\CC_030000PCI\CC_0300
     
    How the device driver is selected =
from these=20
    IDs is explained at http://support.microsoft" target="new">http://support.microsoft.=">http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279112">http://support.microsoft.=
com/kb/279112. =20
    I didn't read through the article so I don't know if it points out =
one=20
    gotcha that are particularly relevant to OEM devices like nvidia =
display=20
    adapters.  The gotcha is that the OEMs make changes but forget =
to=20
    change the PCI IDs.  In other words, multiple incompatible =
devices=20
    claim to be the same or compatible.  I don't have this issue =
with any=20
    of my current hardware but I have two friends/family that have =
systems with=20
    OEM nvidia adapters that claim to be compatible with the nvidia =
drivers but=20
    don't work unless you use customized OEM drivers.  This sounds =
exactly=20
    like the problem you have only I think both these folks are using =
dell=20
    systems not asus systems.
     
    Rich
     
     
    
      "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote in=20
      message news:448b193f$1{at}w3.nls.net..."Rich=20
      Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
      message news:448b1020$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>>=20
      "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
= wrote in=20
      message > news:448b05af$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>>>>>>=20
      Optional Hardware update, They are apparently misidentifying some =
of my=20
      >> hardware ( for 2+years now). Not something
that gives =
me a=20
      log of >> confidence in their hardware identification =
<g>.=20
      Technically its not a MS >> Driver ( from
NVIDIA ) but =
they are=20
      the ones deciding I may need
it.>>>> One =
time I=20
      blue screened and hosed my system with an internal modem update =
>=20
      WU thought I should have. Stayed away form Microsoft's hardware =
update=20
      > recommendations ever
since>That will teach =
a=20
      lesson <g>. I am concerned that after 2 YEARS it still =
seems to=20
      mis identify the hardware. I don't think ASUS is exactly an =
unknown MB=20
      =
maker/

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