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echo: osdebate
to: Robert Comer
from: Adam
date: 2006-06-26 21:41:02
subject: Re: AT&T - we own your records sucker!!!

From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Robert Comer wrote:
>> Bob, The way I see it, you're worried that the government will
>> inadvertently, while mining for terrorists, find out that you like
>> sardine and cream cheese sandwiches on pumpernickel bread, and surely
>> that information would be extremely embarrassing 
>
> So privacy isn't important to you, well, that's not the way I feel and
> it's certainly not the way our country was set up -- the individual is
> supposed to count.  It's true I have nothing to hide, and nothing to be
> embarrassed about, but it's the principle of the thing.  You give them
> this much they'll take more...
>

Chuckle nah you give them this much in the cause of defeating
terrorism/paedophilic sex crimes &...suddenly the envelope (which you
have agreed to) is .....expanded.....

It's the std route. Orwell put it well in animal farm.

>> I worry that your, and your cohorts, efforts to prevent the government
>> from finding out that embarrassing information inadvertently, thus
>> preventing their efficient gathering of intelligence against the
>> enemies as well, will get you and me both killed on our way down to
>> the deli to buy same sandwich. i.e. I don't give a flying fig if the
>> government finds out I like weird food by accident, and I welcome
>> their laughing at those choices if they so choose, but in return for
>> their amusement, I also expect them to make sure I can get to that
>> deli and buy what I want without dying en route.
>
> Then the terrorists have beaten you -- you're afraid of them enough to
> give up everything.
>

Yup. Heck youz guyz were willing to fight & die over taxes &
representation but oooooh some bloke wiv beards are eeewww so scary.


>> I'm sure you don't agree, as it appears your "privacy" is more
>> important than life,
>
> Give me liberty or give me death.
>

Give away your liberty & you may be giving away your life as well
(dependent upon the whims of the leaders).

I also find it humorous that those who were most in favour of "dealing
with Saddam" because of his pervasive security apparatus are so in
favour of it at home.

>> You may see it my way in your own evolution, or not, but there's not
>> any argument in present time that will change your, or my, mind.
>
> Yep, one has decide what to give up, or not.
>

Nah you have to fight to keep what you have. That's the problem with your
lawyer/paper monarch combo wrt protecting you, it makes you forget that
& thus have to rely on the lawyers.

Adam

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