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echo: philos
to: DAY BROWN
from: ANDREW CUMMINS
date: 1998-01-11 14:53:00
subject: Back to Apes

 -=> Quoting Day Brown to Andrew Cummins <=-
 DB> Well, now... we see where a particular molecule, which form 
 DB> is a function of quantum mechanics and sub-atomic physics, is 
 DB> exhibiting characteristics of 'life', just as predicted by the 
 DB> computer models of conditions on the primitive earth 4 billion 
 DB> years ago.
I don't consider anything sub-cellular to be life.  In any
case, prions depend on cells for replication.  And, it would
help if you told us of one of those computer models...
 DB> Because there ain't no free lunch.  To develop life as we 
 DB> have found it so far, demands a chemical activity level of 
 DB> a high order, such as in a liquid. Venus does not seem to 
 DB> have any liquid.  You also need a power source, either as 
 DB> light, or a constant supply of new chemical into a given 
 DB> location. Venusian rock is too inert to respond to the 
 DB> presence of light.
What's the difference between chemical activity of a high
level and of low level, besides time needed to accomplish
the same thing?  And, based on what do you know that the
Earth's chemical level is of a high enough order to account
for life on earth... After all, no one has managed to
produce faverable odds on the formation of life (even if
the whole universe were a hot organic soup).
 DB> If life did exist there, I would expect to see it high in 
 DB> the atmosphere;  but that would also depend on some sort
 DB> of diurnal change or weather to move molecules from one 
 DB> kind of condition to another, and the consequent chemical 
 DB> reactions that might take place.
Based on what?  Any math you could show me would still indicate a
virtual impossibility.  So, until you find new mechanisms and new
forms of "life" you're not in much of a position to expect life
to more likely be found one place rather than another.  You
shouldn't expect to find life any place.
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