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>In a message dated 98-04-11 06:20:20 EDT, you write:
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><< Did the Nazi's publicly pronounce their true intentions?
> >
> > What nonsense.
> >  >>
> >
> >Yes in fact they did in chilling detail. It was called Mein Kampf.
> >dtf
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> >
> >--
> > (Fletcheror)
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> Nope!  You know as well as I do that Mein Kampf was the *personal* agenda
> of Adolf Hitler and not the *publicly* stated goals of the German
> government.  Just as Sarah Brady may have a personal agenda that differs
> from that of HCI, right? >>
>
>Jon,
>As a dictator, Hitler, after 1933, was the German government. But,  in
>anycase, the previous writer had made the contention that it was nonsense
that
>Nazi's would have pronouned their true intentions.  Hitler's intentions, in
>Mein Kempf, for the German people, Jews, Russsia, gays, Catholics, etc. is
all
>there and there is no dispute that Hitler was the Nazi party. It's just that
>people, even today it seems, didn't want to believe it.
>
>Sarah Brady and the HCI?  I'm not positive, but isn't Mrs Brady the head of
>HCI? In that case I would think that her and HCI's agenda would be pretty
much
>one and the same.
>dtf
>
Nope Dean, I just can't agree that Hitler was the German government and I
do dispute that he was the Nazi party.  Started them, led them - yes.
*Was* them - no.  That trivializes the evil deeds of a whole bunch of other
people and doesn't give credit where it's due.  Certainly Mein Kampf was as
you state, but as the books of L. Ron Hubbard were taken forward by others
(not requiring L. Ron's intervention) so could have happened, if needed, in
this case.  I'm not really sure why you make these broad, sweeping
statements and expect the people reading them to find them logical and
acceptable.  No debate that Hitler owns the sick ideas as you pointed out,
but I don't for one minute think he carried the whole thing off himself and
everyone else just followed him like a puppy dog!  He had quite a cheering
section of co-conspirators.
Well enough of that.
Seems that you got my point which was that you *cannot* seperate the
personal agenda of the leader of an organization from the goals of the
organization.  That's why we don't really like HCI. Their stated goals,
while seemingly appropriate to the "average American" are backed by Ms.
Brady who has a rather different personal agenda.
Submitted for your approval:
"Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who
would resist us have been totally disarmed."
                                  -Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control
Inc, to Sen. Howard
                                   Metzanbaum, The National Educator,
January 1994, Page 3.
Oops!  When she steps in it she *really* steps in it!
Jon
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On identifying BSA models:
A guy I know recently asked me about a BSA underlever rifle that he was
thinking of purchasing.  I've only been able to examine pictures of the air
gun and have been told that it is worn enough that the majority of the
lettering is not readable.  The serial number is legible, though.
L11846
Does anyone know with certainty what the "L" stands for?  I've skimmed
through John Knibbs book, "B.S.A. and Lincoln Jeffries Air Rifles" and
couldn't find a reference.  The book is a bit frustrating because there is
no table of contents or index!
I've also seen a gun with a "S" prefix to the serial number.
I'm assuming that L=Light Pattern and S=Standard Pattern.  Though I've not
seen one it's not much of a leap to also assume that J=Junior Pattern.
Anybody know for sure?
Thanks.
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