From: Ad 

Rich wrote:
>    Even if you have USB 2.0 on a phone it does not make it a PC.
>

Indeed not however it opens up the terrabytes of storage option without
increasing the size of the platform while also increasing the range &
scope of any add-ons.

e.g. imagine a phone with say linux on board & a USB2.0 port. Heck you
could even plug in a digital tv usb device.

>    Solid state is faster than disk not RAM.
>

Indeed but RAM costs in terms of energy use & thus battery life though
people are looking at how to combine the best of both e.g.

http://www.spansion.com/products/MirrorBit_Eclipse.html

& RAM which only turns on as you need it.


>    Of course you and your family carry phones not PCs.  So what?  Again,
> I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when you and your
> family get rid of your PCs.  If you keep your PCs then you are
> demonstrating that the phone is not sufficient.
>

Right now. However things are pointing towards the phone. e.g. wrt digital
music I have a mp3 player in my phone & on my PC. Ditto my son. In both
case the amout of music we listen to is vastly greater on the phone than on
the PC. 5 years ago  simply was not able to listen to music on a phone
& thus all my mp3 listening was on my PC or I had to make a CD by
turning the mp3'es into wavs & burning a cd-r.

My calendar is now basically entirely based round my phone where my pc
based calendar is used as a backup & a network asset (i.e. to allow
others to see my schedule or to add events for me). I then sync (via a USB
port) in a few seconds et voila.

Ditto my notes/todo etc.

i.e. my phone is now my PIM.

I have friends who have the larger screen pda style mobiles who also
basically have their phones as their primary PIM + email.

Little by little, function by function much as the PC rose. Yes Web
browsing is still a pain though doable (e.g. I tend to check train times on
my mobile).

Remember when the idea of running say a serious multi-user database on a PC
was greeted with hoots of laughter by most?

Once the screen/display issue is dealt with then you're basically going to
see all the std office/productivity apps move to the phone inc web
browsing, mail, PIM, office stuff (wp, spreadsheets, personal database
etc).

Got an LCD tv? Got a smartphone? Got a bluetooth keyboard with trackpad or
bluetooth mouse? got an external USB2.0 storage device... Sorted.....why do
you have that big noisy PC....?

Adam


> Rich
>
>
>     "Ad"      > wrote in message
>     news:46542c21{at}w3.nls.net...
>     Rich wrote:
>      >    Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf and
>     capacity of
>      > PCs even those few years old.
>
>     (A) IO perf
>
>     Why fit something like :
>
>     "The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications processor
>     based
>     on the ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most
>     power-efficient processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability to
>     scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8
>     processor
>     can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing
>     operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer
>     applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS. "
>
>     if you're not going to have the IO required to feed the cpu?
>
>     RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are smaller.
>
>     (B) Capacity?
>
>     Mobile phones & digicams are driving solid state storage not
the PC &
>     it's the PC which is moving towards the mobile phone & not the other
>     way
>     around on that.
>
>     e.g.
>
>     http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/
>
>     ""More than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by
Q4 2009,"
>     shouts the headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, before
>     admitting soon after that, actually, it's counting not just solid-state
>     drives but also regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and separate
>     caches like Intel's Turbo Memory module.
>
>     Still, it shows that non-volatile storage chips are going play an
>     increasingly important part in laptop design going forward from the
>     handful - if that - of machines available today with built-in Flash."
>
>     or:
>
>     http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_laptops/
>
>     "SanDisk has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook makers
>     less than a week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured sub-notebook
>     will
>     only contain Flash storage."
>
>     Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft operating system even supports
>     solid state storage.
>
>
>      >  Sure I can add a memory card to my phone
>      > but I could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.
>
>     My my a MS person saying solid state = slow? So why are the vista
>     people
>     so keen to boot from it?
>
>
>      > My PC of several
>      > years back had a terrabyte of storage.
>
>     Well done you. I take it this was in a mobile computer. If not then
>     gosh
>     many smartphones come with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using that
>     should I wish to.
>
>
>      > Phones are nowhere close.
>
>     With USB2.0 they are exactly where the PC is.
>
>      > RAM
>      > of a phone, not flash storage, is low and usually in the tens or if
>      > lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.
>
>     &? Not every OS needs gigabytes of RAM. I accept that Vista does but
>     heck not every PC has gigabytes of RAM.
>
>     In fact none of mine have over 1 Gb.
>
>      > Display size of phones
>      > is tiny.
>
>     Indeed. This is the problem I have been referring to but it is soluble
>     especially if docked in some fashion.
>
>      > Human interface input limited though because perf is not an
>      > issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones such
>     as mine.
>      >
>      >    All in all, a phone makes a crappy PC.
>
>     A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't taken off, nor have
>     micro/sub laptops.
>
>     As the PC has found it's much easier to occupy the low ground & then
>     grow than to occupy the high ground and then try to scale down.
>
>       I very much like my
>      > smartphone and it is good at what it does.  It doesn't do what a
>     PC does
>      > nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone can do
>     like
>      > email and web access.
>      >
>
>     Shrug. The only thing stopping that is display size. My 3G
>     connection is
>     at teh moment slightly faster than my broadband though I am about to
>     upgrade my broadband speed so....
>
>
>      >    I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you get rid of all
>     the
>      > PCs you and your family have at home and use only your phones.
>      >
>
>     I know which I have with me habitually & which my family members have
>     with them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but take
>     his
>     mobile phone off him & there'd be war.
>
>     I know a number of people who via bluetooth keyboards use their phones
>     for all note-taking etc in meetings. Fewer & fewer are bringing laptops
>     unless they're doing a powerpoint style presentation.
>
>
>     It's down to display size. Once they have that figured out then many
>     PC'es will be replaced with smartphones.
>
>     Adam

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