From: "Rich" 

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   Even if you have USB 2.0 on a phone it does not make it a PC.

   Solid state is faster than disk not RAM.

   Of course you and your family carry phones not PCs.  So what?  Again, =
I believe you believe your phone is a PC replacement when you and your =
family get rid of your PCs.  If you keep your PCs then you are =
demonstrating that the phone is not sufficient.

Rich

  "Ad"  wrote in message =
news:46542c21{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    Smartphones do not have anywhere near the I/O perf and capacity =
of=20
  > PCs even those few years old.

  (A) IO perf

  Why fit something like :

  "The ARM CortexTM-A8 processor is the first applications processor =
based=20
  on the ARMv7 architecture and is the highest performance, most=20
  power-efficient processor ever developed by ARM. With the ability to=20
  scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz, the Cortex-A8 =
processor=20
  can meet the requirements for power-optimized mobile devices needing=20
  operation in less than 300mW; and performance-optimized consumer=20
  applications requiring 2000 Dhrystone MIPS. "

  if you're not going to have the IO required to feed the cpu?

  RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a mobile phone are smaller.

  (B) Capacity?

  Mobile phones & digicams are driving solid state storage not the PC &=20
  it's the PC which is moving towards the mobile phone & not the other =
way=20
  around on that.

  e.g.

  http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/

  ""More than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by Q4
2009,"=20
  shouts the headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, before =

  admitting soon after that, actually, it's counting not just =
solid-state=20
  drives but also regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and separate=20
  caches like Intel's Turbo Memory module.

  Still, it shows that non-volatile storage chips are going play an=20
  increasingly important part in laptop design going forward from the=20
  handful - if that - of machines available today with built-in Flash."

  or:

  =
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_laptops/=


  "SanDisk has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook =
makers=20
  less than a week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured sub-notebook =
will=20
  only contain Flash storage."

  Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft operating system even supports =

  solid state storage.


  >  Sure I can add a memory card to my phone=20
  > but I could add slow memory to PCs from years ago.=20

  My my a MS person saying solid state =3D slow? So why are the vista =
people=20
  so keen to boot from it?


  > My PC of several=20
  > years back had a terrabyte of storage.=20

  Well done you. I take it this was in a mobile computer. If not then =
gosh=20
  many smartphones come with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using that=20
  should I wish to.


  > Phones are nowhere close.=20

  With USB2.0 they are exactly where the PC is.

  > RAM=20
  > of a phone, not flash storage, is low and usually in the tens or if=20
  > lucky the hundreds of megabytes not gigabytes.=20

  &? Not every OS needs gigabytes of RAM. I accept that Vista does but=20
  heck not every PC has gigabytes of RAM.

  In fact none of mine have over 1 Gb.

  > Display size of phones=20
  > is tiny.

  Indeed. This is the problem I have been referring to but it is soluble =

  especially if docked in some fashion.

  > Human interface input limited though because perf is not an=20
  > issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones such as =
mine.
  > =20
  >    All in all, a phone makes a crappy PC.=20

  A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't taken off, nor have=20
  micro/sub laptops.

  As the PC has found it's much easier to occupy the low ground & then=20
  grow than to occupy the high ground and then try to scale down.

    I very much like my
  > smartphone and it is good at what it does.  It doesn't do what a PC =
does=20
  > nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone can do =
like=20
  > email and web access.
  > =20

  Shrug. The only thing stopping that is display size. My 3G connection =
is=20
  at teh moment slightly faster than my broadband though I am about to=20
  upgrade my broadband speed so....


  >    I'll believe you believe your nonsense when you get rid of all =
the=20
  > PCs you and your family have at home and use only your phones.
  > =20

  I know which I have with me habitually & which my family members have=20
  with them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but take =
his=20
  mobile phone off him & there'd be war.

  I know a number of people who via bluetooth keyboards use their phones =

  for all note-taking etc in meetings. Fewer & fewer are bringing =
laptops=20
  unless they're doing a powerpoint style presentation.


  It's down to display size. Once they have that figured out then many=20
  PC'es will be replaced with smartphones.

  Adam
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   Even if
you have USB 2.0 =
on a phone it=20
does not make it a PC.
 
   Solid
state is faster than =
disk not=20
RAM.
 
   Of course
you and your =
family carry=20
phones not PCs.  So what?  Again, I believe you believe
your = phone is=20
a PC replacement when you and your family get rid of your PCs.  If
= you keep=20
your PCs then you are demonstrating that the phone is not=20
sufficient.
 
Rich
 

  "Ad" <Dobbin{at}theStablesC=">mailto:Dobbin{at}theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin{at}theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com>=20
  wrote in message news:46542c21{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
  wrote:>    Smartphones do not
have anywhere near =
the I/O=20
  perf and capacity of > PCs even those few years
old.(A) =
IO=20
  perfWhy fit something like
:"The ARM CortexTM-A8 =
processor is=20
  the first applications processor based on the ARMv7 architecture =
and is=20
  the highest performance, most power-efficient processor ever =
developed by=20
  ARM. With the ability to scale in speed from 600MHz to greater =
than 1GHz,=20
  the Cortex-A8 processor can meet the requirements for =
power-optimized=20
  mobile devices needing operation in less than 300mW; and=20
  performance-optimized consumer applications requiring 2000 =
Dhrystone MIPS.=20
  "if you're not going to have the IO required to
feed the=20
  cpu?RAM etc is cheap & the distances in a
mobile phone are =

  smaller.(B) Capacity?Mobile
phones & digicams are =
driving=20
  solid state storage not the PC & it's the PC which is moving =
towards=20
  the mobile phone & not the other way around on=20
  that.e.g.http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebook=
s/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/02/flash_future_for_notebooks/=
A>""More=20
  than half of new notebooks to use Flash drives by Q4 2009," shouts =
the=20
  headline on market watcher iSuppli's latest missive, before =
admitting soon=20
  after that, actually, it's counting not just solid-state drives =
but also=20
  regular HDDs with integrated Flash cache and separate caches like =
Intel's=20
  Turbo Memory module.Still, it shows that non-volatile storage =
chips=20
  are going play an increasingly important part in laptop design =
going=20
  forward from the handful - if that - of machines available today =
with=20
  built-in Flash."or:http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_for_=
laptops/">http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/03/14/sansdisk_flash_drive_fo=
r_laptops/"SanDisk=20
  has begun offering a 32GB solid-state drive to notebook makers =
less than a=20
  week after it was claimed Apple's rumoured sub-notebook will only =
contain=20
  Flash storage."Gosh apparently even a recent Microsoft =
operating=20
  system even supports solid state
storage.>  =
Sure I can=20
  add a memory card to my phone > but I could add slow memory to =
PCs from=20
  years ago. My my a MS person saying solid state =3D slow? So =
why are the=20
  vista people so keen to boot from
it?> My PC of =
several=20
  > years back had a terrabyte of storage.
Well done you. =
I take=20
  it this was in a mobile computer. If not then gosh many =
smartphones come=20
  with USB2.0 & I can add 1 TB easily using that should I wish=20
  to.> Phones are nowhere close.
With USB2.0 they =
are=20
  exactly where the PC is.> RAM
> of a phone, not =
flash=20
  storage, is low and usually in the tens or if > lucky the =
hundreds of=20
  megabytes not gigabytes. &? Not every OS
needs gigabytes =
of RAM. I=20
  accept that Vista does but heck not every PC has gigabytes of=20
  RAM.In fact none of mine have over 1
Gb.> Display =
size of=20
  phones > is tiny.Indeed. This is the
problem I have =
been=20
  referring to but it is soluble especially if docked in some=20
  fashion.> Human interface input limited though
because perf =
is not=20
  an > issue you can use a bluetooth PC keyboard with some phones =
such as=20
  mine.> 
>    All in all, a phone =
makes a=20
  crappy PC. A PC makes a crappy small device. Tablets haven't =
taken=20
  off, nor have micro/sub laptops.As the PC
has found it's =
much=20
  easier to occupy the low ground & then grow than to occupy the =
high=20
  ground and then try to scale down.  I very much like =
my>=20
  smartphone and it is good at what it does.  It doesn't do what a =
PC does=20
  > nor is it as good as a PC for many of the things the phone =
can do=20
  like > email and web access.> 
Shrug. The =
only=20
  thing stopping that is display size. My 3G connection is at teh =
moment=20
  slightly faster than my broadband though I am about to upgrade my=20
  broadband speed
so....>   
I'll believe =
you=20
  believe your nonsense when you get rid of all the > PCs you and =
your=20
  family have at home and use only your phones.> 
I =
know=20
  which I have with me habitually & which my family members have =
with=20
  them habitually. My elder son uses his PC periodically but take his =
mobile=20
  phone off him & there'd be war.I know a
number of people =
who via=20
  bluetooth keyboards use their phones for all note-taking etc in =
meetings.=20
  Fewer & fewer are bringing laptops unless they're doing a =
powerpoint=20
  style presentation.It's down to display
size. Once they =
have that=20
  figured out then many PC'es will be replaced with=20
smartphones.Adam

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