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Joseph Manno wrote:
>---and if I have my way, I'll see the "said bookism" reduced
in power to
>its, in my opinion, proper place.
>
What is the big issue? What the statement says:
"Said" Bookism
Artificial, literary verb used to avoid the perfectly good word
"said." "Said" is one of
the few invisible words in the language; it is almost impossible to
overuse. Infinitely less
distracting than "he retorted," "she inquired," or the
all-time favorite, "he ejaculated."
This does not say never use anything but said. It does say do not go out
of your way to not use said
As you mention I avoid the problem by eliminating the "said"
indicator unless there is a change of speaker or who is speaking is not
clear. In a running conversation between two character it is not necessary
to said every sentence
>I do assert that, in more situations than perhaps you would, constant use of
"said" is a product of laziness and cookie-cutter composition.
>
>And, as Captain Mantovanni would say, "I don't come here with anybody else's
opinion."
>
However before you dismiss the document know what it is.
The Elements of Style
Asserting that one must first know the rules to break them, this classic
reference book is a must-have for any student and conscientious writer.
Intended for use in which the practice of composition is combined with the
study of literature, it gives in brief space the principal requirements of
plain English style and concentrates attention on the rules of usage and
principles of composition most commonly violated.
In a brief view of the book I find nothing on said, its use, or it's use
period. "The Elements of Style" is more concerned with the
proper use of English itself. In the principle that paint or stone is
not art,
grammar is not literature. However all of the above are the material of
the latter. You do not get art from nothing. You do not get literature
without grammar.
I certainly am not sinless in this manner. My grammar falls down once in a
while. I have no doubt that all my tales would be well served with a
re-edit based on the principles of this book.
Here is the table of contents.
CONTENTS
Bibliographic Record http://www.bartleby.com/br/141.html> Frontmatter
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ITHACA, N.Y.: W.P. HUMPHREY, 1918
NEW YORK: BARTLEBY.COM, 1999
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7. A participial phrase at the beginning of a sentence must
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8. Divide words at line-ends, in accordance with their
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Joseph Manno wrote:
---and if I have my way, I'll see the "said bookism" reduced in power to
its, in my opinion, proper place.
What is the big issue? What the statement says:
"Said" Bookism
Artificial, literary verb used to avoid the perfectly good word "said."
"Said" is one of
the few invisible words in the language; it is almost impossible to
overuse. Infinitely less
distracting than "he retorted," "she inquired," or the
all-time favorite, "he ejaculated."
This does not say never use anything but said. It does say do not
go out of your way to not use said
As you mention I avoid the problem by eliminating the "said"
indicator unless there is a change of speaker or who is speaking is not
clear. In a running
conversation between two character it is not necessary to said every
sentence
I do assert that, in more situations than
perhaps you would,
constant use of "said" is a product of laziness and cookie-cutter
composition.
And, as Captain Mantovanni would say, "I don't come here with anybody
else's opinion."
However before you dismiss the document know what it is.
The Elements of
Style
Asserting that one
must first know the rules to
break them, this classic reference book is a must-have for any student and
conscientious writer. Intended for use in which the practice of composition
is combined with the study of literature, it gives in brief space the
principal requirements of plain English style and concentrates attention on
the rules of usage and principles of composition most commonly
violated.
In a brief view of the book I find nothing on said, its use, or it's use
period. "The Elements of Style" is more concerned with
the proper use of English itself. In the principle
that paint or stone is not art, grammar
is not literature.
However all
of the above are the material of the latter. You do not get art
from nothing.
You do not get literature without grammar.
I certainly am not sinless in this manner. My grammar falls down
once in a while. I have no doubt that all my tales would be well
served with a re-edit
based on the principles of this book.
Here is the table of contents.
CONTENTS
Bibliographic">http://www.bartleby.com/br/141.html">Bibliographic
Record Frontmatter;">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk101.html">Frontmatter;
ITHACA, N.Y.:
W.P. HUMPHREY, 1918
NEW YORK: BARTLEBY.COM, 1999
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">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html">
size="+1">ELEMENTARY RULES OF USAGE
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the possessive singular of nouns with 's
In">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#2">In a
series of three or more terms with a single conjunction, use a comma after
each term except the last
Enclose">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#3">Enclose
parenthetic expressions between commas
Place">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#4">Place
a comma before and or but introducing
an independent clause
Do">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#5">Do not
join independent clauses by a comma
Do">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#6">Do not
break sentences in two
A">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#7">A
participial
phrase at the beginning of a sentence must refer to the grammatical subject
Divide">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html#8">Divide
words at line-ends, in accordance with their formation and pronunciation
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size="+1">ELEMENTARY PRINCIPLES OF COMPOSITION
Make">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#9">Make the
paragraph the
unit of composition: one paragraph to each topic
As">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#10">As
a rule, begin each paragraph with a topic sentence; end it in conformity
with the beginning
Use">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#11">Use
the active voice
Put">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#12">Put
statements in positive form
Omit">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#13">Omit
needless words
Avoid">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#14">Avoid
a succession of loose sentences
Express">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#15">Express
co-ordinate ideas in similar form
Keep">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#16">Keep
related words together
In">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#17">In
summaries, keep to one tense
Place">http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk5.html#18">Place
the emphatic words of a sentence at the end
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FEW MATTERS
OF
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AND EXPRESSIONS COMMONLY
MISUSED
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size="+1">WORDS
COMMONLY MISSPELLED
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