This issue of debating God on the iPhone is just a new way to fight the same
old battle in a new place. All this blah, blah talk in this article, and not
a single word of actual Scripture spoken.

I can't believe the spineless way in which some of these Christian app
developers are trying to battle atheism. Non-belief isn't something that can
be fought in an intellectual or in a philosophical manner, as some of these
app creators are trying to do. Non-belief is a sin based on pride and
rebellion, and nothing more; and instead of trying to beat these atheists on
an intellectual level, and trying to prove that they are better debaters,
these Christian app developers should just stick to the Bible-based facts:
We are sinners who are lost without Christ.

Most atheists are not interested in being converted; they just want to prove
that they are the better debaters, and they want to mock our Christian
faith. We don't need to try to use intellectual tricks in order to try to
win them. If realizing that they are sinners who are destined to be cast out
of God's sight unless they repent of their unbelief is not enough, then let
them get what is coming to them.

Any Christian who doesn't have a solid foundation in God's Word, and who
doesn't know how to answer questions properly, and with Christian
conviction, should not even become involved in these iPhone debates, because
they will just be an embarrassment to our faith, and they'll make us all
look like idiots.


You Say God Is Dead? There's an App for That

By PAUL VITELLO - NYT

July 2, 2010


An explosion of smart-phone software has placed an arsenal of trivia at the
fingertips of every corner-bar debater, with talking points on sports,
politics and how to kill a zombie. Now it is taking on the least trivial
topic of all: God.

Publishers of Christian material have begun producing iPhone applications
that can cough up quick comebacks and rhetorical strategies for believers
who want to fight back against what they view as a new strain of strident
atheism. And a competing crop of apps is arming nonbelievers for battle.

"Say someone calls you narrow-minded because you think Jesus is the only way
to God," says one top-selling application introduced in March by a Christian
publishing company. "Your first answer should be: 'What do you mean by
narrow-minded?' "

For religious skeptics, the "BibleThumper" iPhone app boasts that
it "allows
the atheist to keep the most funny and irrational Bible verses right in
their pocket" to be "always ready to confront fundamentalist Christians or
have a little fun among friends."

The war of ideas between believers and nonbelievers has been part of the
Western tradition at least since Socrates. For the most part, it has been
waged by intellectual giants: Augustine, Spinoza, Aquinas, Kierkegaard,
Nietzsche.

Yet for good or ill, combatants entering the lists today are mainly everyday
people, drawn in part by the popularity of books like Richard Dawkins's "The
God Delusion" and Christopher Hitchens's "God Is Not Great."
The fierceness
of their debate reflects the fractious talk-show culture unintentionally
described so aptly in the title of the Glenn Beck best seller "Arguing With
Idiots."

In a dozen new phone applications, whether faith-based or faith-bashing, the
prospective debater is given a primer on the basic rules of engagement --
how to parry the circular argument, the false dichotomy, the ad hominem
attack, the straw man -- and then coached on all the likely flashpoints of
contention. Why Darwinism is scientifically sound, or not. The differences
between intelligent design and creationism, and whether either theory has
any merit. The proof that America was, or was not, founded on Christian
principles.

Users can scroll from topic to topic to prepare themselves or, in the heat
of a dispute, search for the point at hand -- and the perfect retort.

Software creators on both sides say they are only trying to help others see
the truth. But most applications focus less on scholarly exegesis than on
scoring points.

One app, "Fast Facts, Challenges & Tactics" by LifeWay
Christian Resources,
suggests that in "reasoning with an unbeliever" it is sometimes
effective to
invoke the "anthropic principle," which posits, more or less,
that the world
as we know it is mathematically too improbable to be an accident.

It offers an example: "The Bible's 66 books were written over a span of
1,500 years by 40 different authors on three different continents who wrote
in three different languages. Yet this diverse collection has a unified
story line and no contradictions."

"The Atheist Pocket Debater," on the other hand, asserts that because
miracles like Moses' parting of the waters are not occurring in modern
times, "it is unreasonable to accept that the events happened" at
all. "If
you take any miracle from the Bible," it explains, "and tell your
co-workers
at your job that this recently happened to someone, you will undoubtedly be
laughed at."

These applications and others -- like "One-Minute Answers to Skeptics" and
"Answers for Catholics" -- appear to be selling briskly, if nowhere near as
fast as the top sellers among the so-called book apps in their iPhone
category: ghost stories, free books and the King James Bible.

Sean McDowell, the editor of "Fast Facts" and some textbooks for Bible
students, said he has become increasingly aware of a skill gap between
believers and nonbelievers, who he feels tend to be instinctively more savvy
at arguing. "Christians who believe, but cannot explain why they believe,
become 'Bible-thumpers' who seem dogmatic and insecure about their
convictions," he said. "We have to deal with that."

"Nowadays, atheists are coming to the forefront at every level of society --
from the top of academia all the way down to the level of the average Joe,"
added Mr. McDowell, a seminary Ph.D. candidate whose phone app was produced
by the B&H Publishing Group, one of the country's largest distributors of
Bibles and religious textbooks.

Jason Hagen may be that average guy. A musician and a real estate investor
who lives in Queens, Mr. Hagen decided to write the text for "The Atheist
Pocket Debater" this year after buying his first iPhone and finding dozens
of apps for religious people, but none for nonbelievers like himself.

In creating what became the digital equivalent of a 50,000-word tract, he
gleaned material from the recent antifaith books and got the author Michel
Shermer's permission to reprint essays from Mr. Shermer's monthly magazine,
Skeptic. Mr. Hagen pitched his idea to Apple, which referred him to an
independent programmer who helped him develop the application; the company
pays Mr. Hagen 50 cents for each download of the $1.99 app. He said a few
thousand had sold.

What inspired him, he said, was a lifetime of frustration as the son of a
fundamentalist Christian preacher in rural Virginia.

"I know what people go through, growing up in the culture I grew up in,"
said Mr. Hagen, 39, adding that his father had only recently learned of his
true beliefs. "So I tried to give people the tools they need to defend
themselves, but at the same time not ridicule anybody. Basically, the people
on the other side of the debate are my parents."

Still, some scholars consider that approach to the debate the least
auspicious way of exploring the mystery of existence.

"It turns it into a game," said Dr. Serene Jones, president of Union
Theological Seminary, in Manhattan. "Both sides come to the discussion with
fixed ideas, and you have what amounts to a contest between different types
of fundamentalism."

Indeed, the new phone applications seem to promise hours of unrelieved,
humorless argument.

"When someone says, 'There is no truth,' " the Fast Facts app
advises, "ask
them: 'Is that true? Is it true there is no truth?' Because if it's true
that there is no truth, then it's false that 'there is no truth.' "

Mr. Hagen's atheistic app resonates with the same certitude. If Jacob saw
the face of God (in Genesis 32:30), and God said, "No man shall see me and
live" (in Exodus 33:20), then "which one is the liar?" he asks.

His conclusion: "If we know the Bible has content that is false, how can we
believe any of it?"

Unavailing as such exchanges may seem, they are a fact of life in parts of
the country where for some people, taboos against voicing doubt have lifted
for the first time.

"I don't know that there's more atheists in the country, but there are
definitely more people who are openly atheist, especially on college
campuses," said the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern
Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., and author of "Atheism
Remix: A Christian Confronts the New Atheists." He said students have asked
him how to deal with nonbelievers.

"There is not one student on this campus who doesn't have at least one
person in his circle of family and friends voicing these ideas," he said.

If smart-phone software can improve the conversation, all to the good, he
said. "The app store is our new public commons."

Michael Beaty, chairman of the philosophy department at Baylor University, a
Christian university in Waco, Tex., was not so sure.

"We'd be better off if these people were studying Nietzsche and Kant," he
said.



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