Avenger wrote:
> "Casey"  wrote in message
> news:vufHd.101570$nN6.70091{at}edtnps84...
> > Avenger wrote:
> > > "Casey"  wrote in message
> >
> > >>Maybe that's true for under-sexed US couples but according to the
> > >>latest Statistics report on Canadian sexual activity, the
"average" is
> > >>about 170 to 200 times per year for married couples.
> > >
> > > Canadians are also known as BIG liars. Who did they poll?
Newfies?  haha
> >
> > The report takes much of it's data from clinical research...which
> > seldom "lies"...
> >
> > >  In our age group(45 to 55) the average is 130 to 160
> > >
> > > Is it not, stop reading Cosmo.
> >
> > It IS for me...and I DO feel sorry if it's not for you...
> >
> > >>>average for 75% of men is 2 minutes of intercourse.
> > >>
> > >>Well THERE'S your problem...premature ejaculation...if you can't
keep
> > >>it up any longer than a couple of minutes you shouldn't expect to
get it
> > >>any more than a couples of times a year. :-o !
>
> It's not a problem for me but if it were I would simply take a drug
to stop
> it. In fact, experimentally I have used myself as a guinea pig and
can tell
> you that having sex too long is boring and  irritating.
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Those are the medical statistics and apply to experienced
men,they
> haven't
> > > changed since this sort of data has been kept(about 300 years)
and they
> are
> > > the same worldwide, so I would take what you read in the popular
press
> with
> > > a large grain of salt.
> >
> > You REALLY SHOULD read the following which I copied from a medical
web
> > site...
>  I really don't read  popular junk in newspapers or  WEB MD
>
>
> >
> > Premature Ejaculation
> >
> > What is premature ejaculation?
> >
> > Premature ejaculation is one of the most common sexual problems.
>
> As a physician I can tell you that if something is so common that it
effects
> the majority on men it is not a problem but the norm. I looked in the
Merck
> manual ( a 30 year old one!) and compared it to the new one. I can
see that
> even the old manual had a female bias. Why do I say this? Because we
know
> what the normal male response is and we know what the normal female
response
> is.


I do not think you hve a right to say, "WE' here. There is a wide
variety of what could be experienced as normal.
The idea that a quick 2 min. squirt is all that women should expect
is a little nutty also unless you are screwing a cheap whore. If a
woman I like and am attracted to sexually gets off better with more
thourough attention I sure as hell am not going to get pissy about it.
For one thing, I like sex and don't like it more when it is over
sooner. For another, if I do not get it done right and don't seem to
care how it was for her I do not see how I could blame her for drifting
towards a guy who did. What would you do???


Yet, the old manual states that since a female cannot usually reach
> orgasm within this time that the MAN must learn to control himself
and then
> goes on to a number of techniques etc etc That's a bias because it
doesn't
> say that females should learn to orgasm faster or even that both
should make
> an effort.
>
>
>
>  The
> > condition is most often described as being an inability to delay
> > ejaculation to a point when it is mutually desirable for both
partners.
> > The definition of when ejaculation is premature is subjective.
While
> > some men have trouble controlling their orgasm upon entry, most
consider
> >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 10 minutes of copulation to be too little. How long a man is able
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > to last is not the important factor in diagnosing premature
ejaculation.
> > The crucial issue is if a man is satisfied with the length of
coitus.
> > (Is anyone REALLY satisfied with 2 minutes ???)
>
> I want you to do an experiment and watch some porno films and
actually time
> it. Regardless of whether they're having intercourse or she's giving
him a
> bj you'll see that I'm very accurate. And remember these are people
who are
> probably the best and the film is probably edited to make it seem
longer.
>
>
>
> >
> > What causes premature ejaculation?
> > Help is Available
> >
> > You Can Last Longer (also available in DVD) is an excellent video
> > explaining how men can overcome premature ejaculation. Watch it
with
> > your partner for the best results.
> >
> > Most men have experienced this problem at some time in their life.
> > Premature ejaculation was once thought to be caused by drugs or
certain
> > infections such as urethritis, but popular wisdom suggests it is
more
> > psychological in nature. The exact cause of the condition, however,
> > still remains a mystery.
>
> It's not a mystery because it's the norm and shouldn't even be called
> premature ejaculation. PE is anything under 2 minutes. In science
there has
> to be some standard and that is it. If you do it longer, fine, but
don't
> start labeling the norm as a medical condition. I can see that you
have been
> brainwashed by females.
>
>
> >
> > Premature ejaculation often occurs during the first experiences
with
> > sex, and in this case is most commonly attributed to anxiety. The
> > majority of men gradually learn to control their orgasm, and have
no
> > lasting effect. Some men will develop a longer-term anxiety toward
sex,
> > which can cause a prolonged experience with premature ejaculation.
>
> I was referring to experienced men and it is not caused by anxiety
anymore
> than people who sneeze more easily are suffering from a medical
condition.
> Some people just respond to stimuli faster.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Sexual behavior is also a factor. The longer the period since last
> > ejaculating, the quicker young men typically reach orgasm. Younger
men
> > tend to ejaculate more quickly than older men,
>
> Up to a certain age. At your age, for example, you're probably
suffering
> from a degree of ED which means you need stimulation just to keep
erect.
> This usually leads to PI so you can actually have ED and PI!
>
>
>
> as experience seems to be
> > associated with ejaculatory control.
> >
> >
> > This last sentence is worth repeating in light of our discussion
> >
> > "Younger men tend to ejaculate more quickly than older men, as
> > experience seems to be associated with ejaculatory control."
> >
> > ...Ken
> >


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