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to: Geo
from: Rich
date: 2006-08-04 20:02:12
subject: Re: Bad developers whine over Windows kernel security

From: "Rich" 

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   Then it's not kernel mode and not relevant.  Unlikely it patched =
explorer.  More likely it created a thread in the explorer process which =
ran its code within the existing process.  This only obscures the = trojan.
 It doesn't hide the presence of the trojan on disk or in = memory.

Rich
  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:44d3e18f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  The one I remember reading the writeup on, patched explorer to hide.

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:44d34e36$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       Not that I can think of.  The ones I know of patch the kernel to =
intercept APIs which they then return incorrect or filtered results.

    Rich
      "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:44d2c0b8$2{at}w3.nls.net...
      Don't some of the rootkits use an API to hide themselves?

      Geo.

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   Then it's
not kernel mode =
and not=20
relevant.  Unlikely it patched explorer.  More likely it
= created a=20
thread in the explorer process which ran its code within the existing=20
process.  This only obscures the trojan.  It doesn't hide
the = presence=20
of the trojan on disk or in memory.
 
Rich
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net> wrote=20 in message news:44d3e18f$1{at}w3.nls.net... The one I remember reading the = writeup=20 on, patched explorer to hide. Geo.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:44d34e36$1{at}w3.nls.net... Not that I can think = of. The=20 ones I know of patch the kernel to intercept APIs which they then = return=20 incorrect or filtered results. Rich
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20 wrote in message news:44d2c0b8$2{at}w3.nls.net... Don't some of the rootkits use an = API to hide=20 themselves? Geo.
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