-=> Quoting Dennis Martin to Jim Casto <=-
 DM> Jim, I've found avoidence to be a classic tactic of people when they
 DM> can't  answer a question.  They often prefer "to do a little sidestep"
 DM> to avoid  answering.
 
 That's true.
 DM> With regard to your second question, the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) had
 DM> a pretty good working communist economy going until the invading hoarde
 DM> from Europe  destroyed it.
 It had it's severe internal problems, however, that had little to do with
 the Europeans. (And even then it depends on which Europeans you're talking
 about.) Ever read a book by Richard White called: "The Middle Ground:
 Indians, Empires, and Republics in the Great Lakes Region, 1650-1815"? It's
 way too complex a time period and the issues involved to simply say it was
 "destroyed by the invading hordes from Europe."
 DM> Actually, communistic economies were very successful throughout the
 DM> peoples of Turtle Island.
 
 That's true, but it is also true that some communistic economies were 
verrun
 by bigger more powerful economies. And it's also true that some peoples on
 the North American continent had very successful economies that _weren't_
 communistic. Some of the peoples of the Pacifc Northwest are very typical
 "stratified, class" economies.
 DM> However, no economy is going to work in as large a scale as is now in
 DM> place  here and globally, except for a true communistic economy where
 DM> all people work together for the common good.
 
 And that virtually confines communism to a small scale (population-wise).
 And even then, in the cases of most communes throughout history, it has
 proven to break down as human nature creeps in.
 DM> Why do you think Ben Franklin lobbies so hard for the Constitutional
 DM> form of  Government we have today?  His inspiration was the
 DM> Haudenosaunee "Great Law of Peace" which stressed cooperation between a
 DM> multitude of differing nations.   
 
 The only problem is... What does the "Great Law of Peace" say about the
 nations _outside_ the Confederation and those nation's geographical
 territory? What does the "Great Law of Peace" have to say about the enemies
 of the Confederation? What provisions were made in the Confederation to hold
 it together? Why did two tribes decide to break away? All very, very
 complex. And White's book only covers one hundred sixty-five years and a
 relatively small area of the U.S.
 
 Jim
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