From: "Geo" 

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what about format shifting to your ipod then sharing the files? That's =
what this is about yes?

Geo.
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:4510efb3{at}w3.nls.net...
     I have always thought it OK rip your own CDs for your own use.  I =
have also thought it OK to further format shift into other formats =
including transfering to your ipod or other music player for your own =
use.  I'm pretty sure you have asserted this position as well in the =
past.  Only now do you act like an idiot with some silly position that = it
is illegal for apple to support format shifting in itunes if they try = to
make money on ipods and itunes.  Why haven't you been more vocal = about
your silly position for the past few years?

  Rich

    "Adam"  wrote in message =
news:4510e6c8{at}w3.nls.net...
    Rich wrote:
    >    What an idiot.  You think I believe ripping is OK only because =
my=20
    > employer thinks it is OK?  What a hoot!=20

    Nope I think your views change as those of your employer change.

    > And your sudden assertion that=20
    > ripping is not OK is because of what?
    > =20

    I never said it was right to rip in order to make money. Home=20
    backup/format shifting by the person who has purchased the media etc =
is=20
    fine but to make money makes you into a publisher. You are the one =
who=20
    holds it's fine for people to rip so long as it makes your employer =
money.

    Adam

    > Rich
    > =20
    >=20
    >     "Adam"      > wrote in message
    >     news:45100d5a{at}w3.nls.net...
    >     Rich wrote:
    >      >    Apparently you.  My views haven't changed.  You appear =
to take
    >     silly
    >      > positions at the drop of a hat.
    >      >=20
    >      > Rich
    >      >=20
    >      >
    >      >     "Adam"      
    >      >     > wrote
in message
    >      >     news:450fecc9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    >      >     Rich wrote:
    >      >      >    My views haven't changed.  I think it is OK to =
rip your own
    >      >     CDs for
    >      >      > your own use.  Always have.  You are changing your =
tune and
    >      >     looking like
    >      >      > a fool with your new very silly assertions.
    >      >      >
    >      >
    >      >
    >      >
    >      >     So Rich who is the fool/has his views dictated to him =
by his
    >     betters?
    >      >
    >      >     Adam
    >     Nope, You simply take whatever position your employer takes, =
which
    >     is in
    >     itself dictated by the search from profits.
    >=20
    >     Adam
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what about format shifting to
your ipod =
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sharing the files? That's what this is about yes?
 
Geo.

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4510efb3{at}w3.nls.net...
     I have
always thought it =
OK rip your=20
  own CDs for your own use.  I have also thought it OK to further =
format=20
  shift into other formats including transfering to your ipod or other =
music=20
  player for your own use.  I'm pretty sure you have asserted this =
position=20
  as well in the past.  Only now do you act like an idiot with some =
silly=20
  position that it is illegal for apple to support format shifting in =
itunes if=20
  they try to make money on ipods and itunes.  Why haven't you been =
more=20
  vocal about your silly position for the past few years?
   
  Rich
   
  
    "Adam" <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes
A>>=20
    wrote in message news:4510e6c8{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
    wrote:>    What an
idiot.  You think I =
believe=20
    ripping is OK only because my > employer thinks it is =
OK?  What=20
    a hoot! Nope I think your views change as those of your =
employer=20
    change.> And your sudden assertion that
> ripping =
is not=20
    OK is because of what?> 
I never said it was =
right to=20
    rip in order to make money. Home backup/format shifting by the =
person=20
    who has purchased the media etc is fine but to make money makes =
you into=20
    a publisher. You are the one who holds it's fine for people to =
rip so=20
    long as it makes your employer
money.Adam>=20
    Rich>  >
>     "Adam"
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{at}moes>>=20
    wrote in
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    =20
    Rich wrote:>      =
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    Apparently you.  My views haven't changed.  You appear to=20
    take>    =20
   
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{at}moes>>=20
    wrote in
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    >     news:450fecc9$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>     =20
    >     Rich=20
    wrote:>     =20
    >     
>    My views =
haven't=20
    changed.  I think it is OK to rip your=20
    own>      =
>     CDs=20
    for>      =
>     =20
    > your own use.  Always have.  You are changing your =
tune=20
    and>      =
>    =20
    looking
like>     =20
    >      > a
fool with your new very =
silly=20
   
assertions.>     =20
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    >>     =20
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    >>      =
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    Rich who is the fool/has his views dictated to him by=20
    his>    =20
    betters?>     =20
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>    =20
    Adam>     Nope,
You simply take whatever =
position=20
    your employer takes,
which>     is=20
    in>     itself
dictated by the search =
from=20
    profits.>
>    =20
Adam

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