Avenger wrote:
> >
> > I do not think you hve a right to say, "WE' here.
>
> The We here is a reference to science and medicine. There must always
be a
> benchmark or there would be no point in dividing the normal functions
of the
> body to a disease state. The 2 minute response is the norm for 75% of
> experienced men, anything under that MAY be considered PI. This does
not
> mean that you're aiming at 2 min but that it is considered normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>  There is a wide
> > variety of what could be experienced as normal.
> > The idea that a quick 2 min. squirt is all that women should expect
>
> It's the norm and it's all they should expect. If they can't orgasm
they
> must  practise and speed up. The only reason I'm making a point of
this is
> because females frequently blame men for their failure to
orgasm(fewer than
> 30% regularly do from sex) regardless of whether it's 2 min or 20
min.
>
> Why aren't we discussing why most females can't orgasm?
>


I would be completely unable to offer any experienced based wisdom
on this subject.
Except this: If a couple believes that "real", appropriate sex is
just penis-in-vagina- I can't hold it any longer intercourse, there
might be problems.
You know, if you just get her off BEFORE intercourse, that should
obviate most of the problem, right?
The thing is, I really LIKE women. I have no objection to seeing
them enjoy the moment.




>
>
>
> > is a little nutty also unless you are screwing a cheap whore.
>
> Hmm how do you know this? haha
>
>
>
>  If a
> > woman I like and am attracted to sexually gets off better with more
> > thourough attention I sure as hell am not going to get pissy about
it.
>
> Apparently you can't read too well stud(assuming you're a man and not
some
> frigid female). That 2 min norm was for ACTIVE intercourse or a bj.
Try
> running  or doing pushups at a moderate rate for 2 minutes. Try
boxing for 1
> round (3 min) and you'll barely be able to hold your arms up
afterward.
>
>
>
> > For one thing, I like sex and don't like it more when it is over
> > sooner. For another, if I do not get it done right and don't seem
to
> > care how it was for her I do not see how I could blame her for
drifting
> > towards a guy who did. What would you do???
>
> I'd go to another girl who could actually orgasm within a reasonable
period.
> Drifting towards another guy? lol Well 75% of them are in the 2 min
> category. Which means that 25% either do it in more or less time. Do
the
> math and you'll see she won't have any better luck lol So girls I
suggest
> you practise with those vibrators and be ready when it's time for
real sex.

Real Sex??  I do not think you and I would ever agree about the
definition of those two words.


>
>
> >
> >
> > Yet, the old manual states that since a female cannot usually reach
> > > orgasm within this time that the MAN must learn to control
himself
> > and then
> > > goes on to a number of techniques etc etc That's a bias because
it
> > doesn't
> > > say that females should learn to orgasm faster or even that both
> > should make
> > > an effort.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  The
> > > > condition is most often described as being an inability to
delay
> > > > ejaculation to a point when it is mutually desirable for both
> > partners.
> > > > The definition of when ejaculation is premature is subjective.
> > While
> > > > some men have trouble controlling their orgasm upon entry, most
> > consider
> > > >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > 10 minutes of copulation to be too little. How long a man is
able
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > to last is not the important factor in diagnosing premature
> > ejaculation.
> > > > The crucial issue is if a man is satisfied with the length of
> > coitus.


Unless he is with a live woman he cares about.


> > > > (Is anyone REALLY satisfied with 2 minutes ???)
> > >
> > > I want you to do an experiment and watch some porno films and
> > actually time
> > > it. Regardless of whether they're having intercourse or she's
giving
> > him a
> > > bj you'll see that I'm very accurate. And remember these are
people
> > who are
> > > probably the best and the film is probably edited to make it seem
> > longer.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What causes premature ejaculation?
> > > > Help is Available
> > > >
> > > > You Can Last Longer (also available in DVD) is an excellent
video
> > > > explaining how men can overcome premature ejaculation. Watch it
> > with
> > > > your partner for the best results.
> > > >
> > > > Most men have experienced this problem at some time in their
life.
> > > > Premature ejaculation was once thought to be caused by drugs or
> > certain
> > > > infections such as urethritis, but popular wisdom suggests it
is
> > more
> > > > psychological in nature. The exact cause of the condition,
however,
> > > > still remains a mystery.
> > >
> > > It's not a mystery because it's the norm and shouldn't even be
called
> > > premature ejaculation.


I am sorry to hear that your experience of life has led you to
believe this
is true.


PE is anything under 2 minutes. In science
> > there has
> > > to be some standard and that is it. If you do it longer, fine,
but
> > don't
> > > start labeling the norm as a medical condition. I can see that
you
> > have been
> > > brainwashed by females.


No, I just get appreciated by females.



> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Premature ejaculation often occurs during the first experiences
> > with
> > > > sex, and in this case is most commonly attributed to anxiety.
The
> > > > majority of men gradually learn to control their orgasm, and
have
> > no
> > > > lasting effect. Some men will develop a longer-term anxiety
toward
> > sex,
> > > > which can cause a prolonged experience with premature
ejaculation.
> > >
> > > I was referring to experienced men and it is not caused by
anxiety
> > anymore
> > > than people who sneeze more easily are suffering from a medical
> > condition.
> > > Some people just respond to stimuli faster.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sexual behavior is also a factor. The longer the period since
last
> > > > ejaculating, the quicker young men typically reach orgasm.
Younger
> > men
> > > > tend to ejaculate more quickly than older men,
> > >
> > > Up to a certain age. At your age, for example, you're probably
> > suffering
> > > from a degree of ED which means you need stimulation just to keep
> > erect.
> > > This usually leads to PI so you can actually have ED and PI!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > as experience seems to be
> > > > associated with ejaculatory control.
>
> Not always.
>
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This last sentence is worth repeating in light of our
discussion
> > > >
> > > > "Younger men tend to ejaculate more quickly than
older men, as
> > > > experience seems to be associated with ejaculatory control."
> > > >
> > > > ...Ken
> > > >
> >



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