From: "Rich" 

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   My views haven't changed.  I think it is OK to rip your own CDs for =
your own use.  Always have.  You are changing your tune and looking like =
a fool with your new very silly assertions.

Rich

  "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
field.near the bridge"> =
wrote in message news:450ee6a3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    You should talk with george who asserts that format conversion =
and
  > transfer to a music player is fair use.  I'm sure you have made this
  > assertion before to and your reversal is interesting.
  > =20

  Nope It's MS who're making out that altering other people's files w/o
  permission in order to make money is now OK. I'm not surprised that =
your
  views follow the views du jour of your corporate masters though.

  Adam

  > Rich
  >=20
  >     "Adam"      > wrote in message
  >     news:450e3931$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >     >    Why haven't you made this claim about the format conversion =
apple
  >     > software performs to support their commercial activities?  Or =
are you
  >     > claiming some rediculous difference?
  >     >=20
  >=20
  >     I don't like any music player which changes my tunes to suit it. =
I took
  >     back a purple sony thing which did that.
  >=20
  >     I did not give it permission to alter my tracks. Where the =
tracks were
  >     owned by another (e.g. MP3'es d/led from the bbc) I am not aware =
of the
  >     bbc giving their permission etc.
  >=20
  >     It's definitely outside of fair use but you know that which is =
why
  >     you're raising these fatuous points to try & cover your corp =
sponsored
  >     hypocrisy.
  >=20
  >     Adam
  >=20
  >=20
  >     > Rich
  >     >=20
  >     >
  >     >     "Adam"
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
  >     
  >     >    
 field.near the =
bridge">
  >     >     wrote in message news:450c77a7{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     >     Rich wrote:
  >     >      >    So riping from CD is a copyright violation by your
  >     definition?
  >     >      >
  >     >
  >     >     in order to make money off then yes.
  >     >
  >     >     & MS is seeking to have this as a selling point & thus =
make
  >     money off.
  >     >
  >     >     Adam
  >     >
  >     >      > Rich
  >     >      >
  >     >      >     "Adam"
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the
  >     
  >     >     
  >     >      >    
 =
field.near the
  >     >     bridge">
  >     >      >     wrote in message news:450b40d5{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     >      >     I wonder if it changes the file in any way. If
  >     >      >     so.....ummm....copyright....? If I own the file =
then like a
  >     >     movie or
  >     >      >     piece of music "rearranging without
permission" etc =
is
  >     verboten.
  >     >      >
  >     >      >     Adam
  >     >      >
  >     >      >
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   My views haven't =
changed.  I=20
think it is OK to rip your own CDs for your own use.  Always =
have. =20
You are changing your tune and looking like a fool with your new very = silly=20
assertions.
 
Rich
 

  "Adam" <""4thwormcastfromthemole=">mailto:"4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the'>"4thwormcastfromthemole=
hill\"{at}the=20
  field.near the bridge"> wrote in message news:450ee6a3$1{at}w3.nls.net...Rich=20
  wrote:>    You should talk
with george who =
asserts that=20
  format conversion and> transfer to a music player is fair =
use. =20
  I'm sure you have made this> assertion before to and your =
reversal is=20
  interesting.>  Nope It's MS
who're making out that =

  altering other people's files w/opermission in order to make money =
is now=20
  OK. I'm not surprised that yourviews follow the views du jour of =
your=20
  corporate masters
though.Adam>
Rich>=20
  >    
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  wrote in message>     news:450e3931$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>    =20
  Rich wrote:>    
>    Why =
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  apple>     >
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  the bbc) I am not aware of
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  >     > =
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  > >     =
>>    =20
  >     "Adam"
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  field.near the
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  >     wrote in message news:450c77a7{at}w3.nls.net...>=
    =20
  >     Rich =
wrote:>    =20
  >     
>    So riping =
from CD is=20
  a copyright violation by
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  definition?>     =
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  >>     =
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  >     in order to make money off then=20
  yes.>     =
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  >     & MS is seeking
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  >    
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  Rich>     =
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  >     "Adam"
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hill\"{at}the>    =20
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themolehill\"{at}the>>    =20
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themolehill\"{at}the>>    =20
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themolehill\"{at}the>=20
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>     =20
  >     wrote in message news:450b40d5{at}w3.nls.net...>=
    =20
  >     
>     I =
wonder if it=20
  changes the file in any way.
If>    =20
  >     
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  so.....ummm....copyright....? If I own the file then like=20
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