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from: Rich
date: 2006-09-21 13:43:16
subject: Re: Ripping verboten?

From: "Rich" 

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   What possible meaning of the word "rearranging" could mean this?

Rich

  "Glenn Meadows"  wrote in message =
news:4512ed82$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  I took his "rearranging" to mean changing the file with time limited =
DRM=20
  code, not time shifting.

  --=20

  Glenn M.
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:4512e62c$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     No.  This is about the following statements from adam

    I wonder if it changes the file in any way. If
    so.....ummm....copyright....? If I own the file then like a movie or
    piece of music "rearranging without permission" etc is verboten.

  The rearranging to which he is referring is what you call format =
shifting.

  Rich

    "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:45126772$2{at}w3.nls.net...
    what about format shifting to your ipod then sharing the files? =
That's=20
  what this is about yes?

    Geo.
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:4510efb3{at}w3.nls.net...
         I have always thought it OK rip your own CDs for your own use.  =
I=20
  have also thought it OK to further format shift into other formats =
including=20
  transfering to your ipod or other music player for your own use.  I'm =
pretty=20
  sure you have asserted this position as well in the past.  Only now do =
you=20
  act like an idiot with some silly position that it is illegal for =
apple to=20
  support format shifting in itunes if they try to make money on ipods =
and=20
  itunes.  Why haven't you been more vocal about your silly position for =
the=20
  past few years?

      Rich

        "Adam"  wrote in message=20
  news:4510e6c8{at}w3.nls.net...
        Rich wrote:
        >    What an idiot.  You think I believe ripping is OK only =
because my
        > employer thinks it is OK?  What a hoot!

        Nope I think your views change as those of your employer change.

        > And your sudden assertion that
        > ripping is not OK is because of what?
        >

        I never said it was right to rip in order to make money. Home
        backup/format shifting by the person who has purchased the media =
etc=20
  is
        fine but to make money makes you into a publisher. You are the =
one who
        holds it's fine for people to rip so long as it makes your =
employer=20
  money.

        Adam

        > Rich
        >
        >
        >     "Adam"      > wrote in message
        >     news:45100d5a{at}w3.nls.net...
        >     Rich wrote:
        >      >    Apparently you.  My views haven't changed.  You =
appear to=20
  take
        >     silly
        >      > positions at the drop of a hat.
        >      >
        >      > Rich
        >      >
        >      >
        >      >     "Adam"      
        >      >     > wrote in =
message
        >      >     news:450fecc9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        >      >     Rich wrote:
        >      >      >    My views haven't changed.  I think it is OK =
to rip=20
  your own
        >      >     CDs for
        >      >      > your own use.  Always have.  You are changing =
your=20
  tune and
        >      >     looking like
        >      >      > a fool with your new very silly assertions.
        >      >      >
        >      >
        >      >
        >      >
        >      >     So Rich who is the fool/has his views dictated to =
him by=20
  his
        >     betters?
        >      >
        >      >     Adam
        >     Nope, You simply take whatever position your employer =
takes,=20
  which
        >     is in
        >     itself dictated by the search from profits.
        >
        >     Adam=20


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   What
possible meaning of =
the word=20
"rearranging" could mean this?
 
Rich
 

  "Glenn Meadows" <gmeadow{at}comcast.net>">mailto:gmeadow{at}comcast.net">gmeadow{at}comcast.net>
wrote =
in message=20
  news:4512ed82$1{at}w3.nls.net...I=20
  took his "rearranging" to mean changing the file with time limited DRM =

  code, not time shifting.--
Glenn M."Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:4512e62c$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  No.  This is about the following statements from =
adam  I=20
  wonder if it changes the file in any way. If =20
  so.....ummm....copyright....? If I own the file then like a movie =
or =20
  piece of music "rearranging without permission" etc is =
verboten.The=20
  rearranging to which he is referring is what you call format=20
  shifting.Rich 
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45126772$2{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  what about format shifting to your ipod then sharing the files? That's =

  what this is about yes? 
Geo.    =
"Rich"=20
  <{at}> wrote in message news:4510efb3{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;     =20
  I have always thought it OK rip your own CDs for your own use.  I =

  have also thought it OK to further format shift into other formats =

  including transfering to your ipod or other music player for your =
own=20
  use.  I'm pretty sure you have asserted this position as well =
in the=20
  past.  Only now do you act like an idiot with some silly =
position=20
  that it is illegal for apple to support format shifting in itunes =
if they=20
  try to make money on ipods and itunes.  Why haven't you been =
more=20
  vocal about your silly position for the past few=20
  years?    =
Rich     =20
  "Adam" <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes
A>>=20
  wrote in message news:4510e6c8{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;    =20
  Rich wrote:     
>    =
What an=20
  idiot.  You think I believe ripping is OK only because=20
  my      >
employer thinks it is =
OK?  What=20
  a
hoot!     
Nope I think your views =
change=20
  as those of your employer =
change.     
>=20
  And your sudden assertion
that      > =
ripping=20
  is not OK is because of
what?     =20
 
>     
I never said it was right =
to rip in=20
  order to make money.
Home      =
backup/format=20
  shifting by the person who has purchased the media etc=20
  is     
fine but to make money makes =
you into=20
  a publisher. You are the one
who      =
holds it's=20
  fine for people to rip so long as it makes your employer=20
 
money.     =20
 
Adam     
>=20
  Rich      =
>     =20
  >     
>     =
"Adam"=20
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