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echo: educator
to: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
from: RON MCDERMOTT
date: 1996-08-09 16:20:00
subject: RE: IVAN ILLICH

 SK> I also am glad that there are certifications for such persons as
 SK> doctors, teachers, pilots, and so on. I think your idea that we should
 SK> do away with these things is, well sorry if this sounds a bit harsh,
 SK> but...ridiculous. I want to be protected from quacks.
MM>You will still have protection from quacks without any certification
MM>system.  I explained how this happens.  Word-of-mouth, direct observation
MM>of how someone's performance, selection of the fittest.
Word-of-mouth IS certification... "Selection of the fittest"
is: 
A. What happens in school now, and, 
B. ANOTHER type of certification
MM>Probably.  A truly content person is also blind.
Uh huh.....
 SK> Perhaps you would like to specifically point out some
 SK> of the things in your school that could have been improved.
 
MM>No obligatory school. 
Clears everything up nicely....
SK> Because, of all the people I know, a great deal of what they know they
SK> learned in a school.
MM>Really?  Could you quantify that?  I'd like to hear what you consider
MM>their personal store of knowledge and why it comes from school, please.
Perhaps you might wish to do a better job of responding to
OUR questions first?
MM>The daily commute, I'm glad you brought that up.  Illich has a very
MM>bad taste in his mouth towards "transportation".
Sounds to me as if Illich would have us all return to those
wonderful days of agrarian economy and city-states...
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