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In article , dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre
Lieven) wrote:


>
> _TR_ (trell133a{at}hotmail.com) writes:
>> Heidi Graw wrote:
>>>"Andre Lieven" wrote:
>>>> "Heidi Graw" (heidigraw{at}shaw.ca) writes:
>>>>>>"Andre Lieven"
 wrote:
>>>>>>>USA wrote:
>>>>>>> Funny how Heidi hasn't posted any proof about
her convent nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andre wrote:
>>>>>> Feminist is, as a Feminist doesn't... 
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre...you were educated in Canada, were you not? 
Did you not learn
>>>>> about
>>>>> the Church and its influence on European culture,
about monastic life and
>>>>> convents?
>>>
>>>>Andre wrote:
>>>> So ? Ltes remind you of a fundamental concept in debate:
>>>>
>>>> If YOU make a claim, YOU are the one with the burden to PROVE it.
>>>
>>> O.k....USA, listen up, go to your nearest library and ask the
librarian to
>>> help you find  books about the history of Mespotamia, Egypt,
Greece, Rome,
>>> and Europe.  All that I claimed is contained in those books. 
You will read
>>> about scribes and how they were a much revered class of males,
a position
>>> inherited from father to son, who kept records and did all the
secretarial
>>> stuff for the pharaohs.  You will discover how the merchant
class came to be
>>> and how more sophisticated methods of records keeping were
developed.  All
>>> these records keepers, accountants and secretaries were men.  You will
>>> discover that the Roman Catholic clergy (from which the term
clerk came to
>>> be) were very helpful (thought not always very nice) in organizing the
>>> barbarian tribes acting as secretaries and advisors to these chiefs.
>>> Educated and literate *men* where happily engaged in all this clerical
>>> office work until about the mid-1800's when slowly and
steadily women were
>>> taking over the office.  So, for about slightly more than one
hundred years,
>>> office work has been considered women's work...but *traditionally and
>>> historically* it was a *man's job.*  The proof exists in those
books that
>>> the librarian will suggest to you.  My own references and
resources I have
>>> were my grade 7 and 8 and higher textbooks, I also have a huge
library at
>>> home with history books, some are the Time-Life Series.
>>
>> Exactly.  You CANNOT back up your claims with actual cites.  All you can do
>> is make generalised references to books that you *claim* to have read
>> (which amounts only to more emptly claims), and you use as
"proof" your
>> feminism-distorted propaganda spin on the alleged contents of these books.
>
> Indeed.
>
>> If that's good enough "proof" for you, then you'll
quickly agree to the
>> "proofs" offered by fundamentalist ministers who claim
that all women
>> should be utterly subservient to men, because "So it is
written".  Get back
>> in that kitchen and fetch the beer, bimbo!
>
> And, don't forget to greet your hubby at the door with a martini...
>
>> More to the point.   You cannot back up your claims.  You adopt your
>> feminist paradigm only because victimism makes you feeeyuulllll good.  You
>> can do NOTHING more.  You just don't have a high enough intelligence,
>> adequate experience or even the basic strength of character to make a good
>> effort at NOT being a feminist.
>
> Quite.
>
>>> The proof is in the library...go for it!
>>
>> The proof is up to the person making the claim.  Get your lard ass away
>> from Oprah's latest dissertation on the importance victimhood to the latest
>> women's fasion.  Bring forth proof of the claims you make rather than
>> indulge in your typical, feminist, hit-and-run style of propagandising.
>>
>>> In any case, USA, you claim to be anti-feminist,  you refused a college
>>> education 'cause you wanted to be a wife and mother.  But, you
did take on a
>>> *clerical job* ...one that was traditionally and historical done by men.
>>> You were doing a man's job,... you participated in the
movement that robbed
>>> these men of their jobs....you're some Femininazi!   ;-)
>>
>> You participated in the results of an effort between men and women who
>> actually worked toward improving people's lives, and you contributed
>> NOTHING of your own to the effort.  You're some lardass, lying feminist!
>> ,.!..
>
> Yep; No news there.
>
> Now, its time for my next panel, here at Arisia. Yet, theres no snow falling
> in Ottawa...
>
> Welcome to the Great White South... 
>
> Andre
> --
> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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