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from: Dg411{at}freenet.Carleton.Ca
date: 2005-03-30 00:51:00
subject: Re: America keeps going in and out with Terry Schiavo`s brea

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" (sbharris{at}ix.netcom.com) writes:
> d...{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
>>Wrong. Read " Women In The Military; Flirting With Disaster ", by
>>Brian Mitchell. In that work, you will find statistical proof of
>>women's *inability* to do many modern military tasks, and their
>>inability to do them, even afer remedial training.
>
> COMMENT:
>
> This whole thing is a weird argument.

It is, but apparently not for the reasons you think...

> For example, with 10 people on
> land supporting every person on the sea in the modern navy, it's rather
> hard for me to imagine what counts as a "modern military task."

Thats because you are unaware of how non deployable positions work.

Of those folks ahore, many are there, in between at sea deployments.
For officers, many interspace ahrore billets duty, again, inbetween
at sea deployments.

The point here is that those personnel need to be able to do *both
types of jobs*, and women simply... cannot.

Further, if you want to say that women will do the shore duty, and
men the at sea duty, you will be guaranteed to get a far higher rate
of those at sea folks leaving, and not re-enlisting, due to being
" burned out " from such repeated at sea duty.

> The military's a big tent. The "modern military" relies on
every single
> skill you can think of in any large organization, and many more. I
> don't know of any large organization which hasn't found that men and
> women work more effectively in teams than either men or women alone,

Then, you know very little about the military. Read the cited book, and
Stephanie Gutmann's book, too.

> due to the fact that their average skill-sets tend to compliment each
> other (surprise).

Wrong. In the military, if you *cannot* do the military tasks, you are
a *burden* on the others, who then have to do *your work and theirs*.

> Only if the military insisted on cookie cuttering
> everything by numbers so that there is exactly the same % women as men
> in ever job, would things be a problem (due to military stupidy, it
> wouldn't surprise me if they are trying to do just that).

Wrong. They were told to do that by DACOWITS. Look it up.

> However, my
> experience in business and medicine and science has been that if you
> let people sort themselves out in terms of what jobs they like and
> enjoy doing, you generally find that men and women end up
> disproportionately in different types of jobs, but that both are quite
> happy.

And, as your experience relates AbZero to the specific issues and
tasks of the military, it's utterly useless and irrelevent.

When was the last time your firm had to do real damage control,
without which your ship would... sink ? Uh huh.

Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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