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Replying to a message of WAYNE CHIRNSIDE to BOB ACKLEY:
DD>> How about understanding that a "corporate person" is a
DD>> legal fiction limiting liability of the actual persons
DD>> involved in that corporation. That however is not
DD>> guaranteed ... as has been learned by several "robber
DD>> barons" who went bust or ripped off their patrons.
BA>> It's not a legal fiction, a corporation is in fact an
BA>> 'artificial person' in law. And it is possible to pierce
BA>> that corporate veil to identify and if need be get at the
BA>> owners.
DD>> A corporate person is not the same as a human person as
DD>> addressed in "We the People of the United States, in Order
DD>> to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure
DD>> domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
DD>> promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
DD>> Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
DD>> establish this Constitution for the United States of
DD>> America."
BA>> Actually, companies as such existed before the US was
BA>> founded. Two things in particular differentiate the
BA>> corporate 'person' from a human; one is that the corporate
BA>> person cannot vote, another is that the corporate person
BA>> can exist forever ("in perpetuity" is the usual
BA>> terminology).
DD>> And thus should not be guaranteed the protections granted
DD>> to individual human citizens ... especially since a
DD>> corporation cannot be a citizen, is not eligible to vote
DD>> (altho with the recent mis-guided decision of the supremes
DD>> it may be able to buy votes), and cannot be elected to
DD>> office.
BA>> Non corporate entities also buy politicians. The decision
BA>> you disagree with merely levels the field. Since all
BA>> politicians in this country are bought and paid for, I'd
BA>> just like to know just who owns which politicians.
WC> Get an internet connection.
No.
WC> There are web sites devoted to tracking corporate donations
WC> to congressional political candidates.
There are web sites *THAT CLAIM* to be devoted ...
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