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echo: pol_inc
to: WAYNE CHIRNSIDE
from: Bob Ackley
date: 2010-05-03 06:41:30
subject: Citizens United ruling

Replying to a message of WAYNE CHIRNSIDE to BOB ACKLEY:

 DD>> How about understanding that a "corporate person" is a
 DD>> legal fiction limiting liability of the actual persons
 DD>> involved in that corporation. That however is not
 DD>> guaranteed ... as has been learned by several "robber
 DD>> barons" who went bust or ripped off their patrons.

 BA>> It's not a legal fiction, a corporation is in fact an
 BA>> 'artificial person' in law.  And it is possible to pierce
 BA>> that corporate veil to identify and if need be get at the
 BA>> owners.

 DD>> A corporate person is not the same as a human person as
 DD>> addressed in "We the People of the United States, in Order
 DD>> to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure
 DD>> domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
 DD>> promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of
 DD>> Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and
 DD>> establish this Constitution for the United States of
 DD>> America."

 BA>> Actually, companies as such existed before the US was
 BA>> founded.  Two things in particular differentiate the
 BA>> corporate 'person' from a human; one is that the corporate
 BA>> person cannot vote, another is that the corporate person
 BA>> can exist forever ("in perpetuity" is the usual
 BA>> terminology).

 DD>> And thus should not be guaranteed the protections granted
 DD>> to individual human citizens ... especially since a
 DD>> corporation cannot be a citizen, is not eligible to vote
 DD>> (altho with the recent mis-guided decision of the supremes
 DD>> it may be able to buy votes), and cannot be elected to
 DD>> office.

 BA>> Non corporate entities also buy politicians.  The decision
 BA>> you disagree with merely levels the field.  Since all
 BA>> politicians in this country are bought and paid for, I'd
 BA>> just like to know just who owns which politicians.

 WC> Get an internet connection.

No.

 WC> There are web sites devoted to tracking corporate donations
 WC> to congressional political candidates.

There are web sites *THAT CLAIM* to be devoted ...

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