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from: Rdubose{at}pdq.Net
date: 2005-01-25 02:46:00
subject: Re: Meninism: Poison to a Healthy America

Hyerdahl3 wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Meninism: Poison to a Healthy America
> >From: Sean_MacCloud sean_macloud{at}[you-is-smart]yahoo.com
> >Date: 1/24/2005 7:35 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
> (edit)
>
> >> > >I am mostly concerned here with the educational
establishment.>Aferall,
> so much flows from this. There have been many changes in the  way
schools
> operate over the >past several years.
> The changes have generally been those addressing how different people
learn,
> i.e. visually, auditorally or even kinetically.  In years gone by,
there was
> even more desk and book learning, which may have appealed more to
those who
> learned visually.  Are you suggesting that boys learn more by sitting
longer at
> desks and reading the classics and Latin?


I am referring to the last decade. Many changes in school have been
fairly malignant from the staindpoint of what little boys need to learn
best. Without any referrence at all to the needs of little girls.
But it is all perfectly consistent with the feminist goal of
empowering women in relationship to men.


Because that is how schools were
> arranged at the turn from the18th to 19th century.  Or ...is what you
really
> crave an institution that excludes women?


A Sign of desperation - frantic subject changeing.


>
> Accompanying these changes has been a large advance in the grades
given girls
> in relationship to the grades given guys.
>
> Are you suggesting some form of discrimination?   If so, who is doing
the
> discriminating?

Feminist in education-wanting to see girls have less reason to be
dependent on men - by making boys less well educated.
Of course that would be evil. Like that would bother any of your
ilk.


>
> If guys were learning as much as they did before and girls were now
learning
> more than they did before then overall average performance>would be
improved.
>
> Well, when my grandmother was in school,

Frantic subject changeing.
Besides, trhe big change has been in weaker performance by guys, not
better by girls. If girls were simply doing better, average performance
(boys and girls) would be improved but it is not.

she was relegated to classes in home
> economics and literature.  In that regard, you might be able to bring
up the
> male scores in math, and science.  Hmmm
>
> The evidence is to the contrary- that guys are learning less than
before in the
> new regime.
>
> Perhaps they don't like the competition or the cooperative nature of
schools
> today,

A deeply incoherent sentence. You are just trying to pump out enough
fog to cover up your feminst crimes.

but the workplace today demands cooperative work.   If you don't
believe
> me, just ask Donald Trump;  he's fired folks for not being able to
both lead
> and cooperate on projects.
>
> That is why girls arenowadays more likely to be validictorians.
>
> Girls are successful in today's classroom for several reasons;
first, girls
> are now included in every field of study and no longer relegated to
home ec.,
> making sure the boys are ahead in math and science.


It is not clear at all that girls are doing better in math and
science than they used to. Boys are simply doing worse.



Also, girls today place
> less emphasis on what boys and men think of their brain power.  A
smart girl no
> longer has a reason to hide her own light under a bushel.

Yawn


>
> The system is botching the education of boys and instead of admitting
the
> problem it changes the subject to celebrate the "success">of the
improved, but
> only relative to boys, performance of girls.
>
> What is being "celebrated" has nothing to do with boys, but rather
that girls
> are no longer excluded and that they are catching up after years of
exclusion.


Girls are "catching up" because someone is tripping little boys.


> When boys face the same kinds of historical discrimination, do let us
know.
>
> >The only type of person who would think this is  a good
situation>must be
> working for the Russians or the Chinese (or maybe the French)
>seeking to
> cripple Americas competitiveness.
>
> The French and Germans are actually amazed at the lack of a good
education
> program fostered by a country run by a virtual moron.   Their
students are
> given a much better education than ours.  Of course, they are not
arguing that
> they need more football programs.  :-)

Irrelevant - subject changeing.
In a generation or so, your sons and daughters might well be both
looking forward to a job working as a low wage assembly worker in a
Chinese owned toy factory. But you will have finally gotten the
"equality" you say you want.



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