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echo: educator
to: PAUL SAYAN
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-08-12 15:44:00
subject: Re: Ivan Illich

 -=> Quoting Paul Sayan to Ron Mcdermott <=-
 RM> MM>If you didn't go to school, you'd be surviving by doing something
 RM> MM>else, I guarantee you that.
 
 RM> RM> Yep, the government seems perfectly willing to ensure that
 RM> RM> I wouldn't starve, and I guess I could live in a tent or
 PS> 
 PS> 
 PS> My father just had tumor removed (13cm).  In the old days,
 PS> like what Mike is proposing, you'd simply die.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.  My/Illich's system
won't abolish new discoveries in science and medicine.  We won't
stagnate as a culture.  in fact, intellectually we will flourish 
more than now.
 PS> My girlfriend had a
 PS> double kidney transplant.  Respectfully, these people are alive today
 PS> because of the American Education System.
So how many third-world countries' citizens are starving because hundreds
of thousands of dollars were instead spent to develop the technology to
treat your girlfriend?
 PS> I owe my way of life to the
 PS> American Education System.
While thousands of Africans and Latin Americans die in squalor because of it.
 PS> And the fact that I can read and respond to
 PS> this conference is due to the American education system.
 PS> Mike, I'd like you to argue one point for me first, please
 PS> humor me.  I'd like you to make a point the the wheel should be
 PS> re-invented.
Why?  Do you think that's what I'm advocating?  The wheel, which was 
designed in the ABSENCE of an educational system, is a great invention.
Education is not.
 PS> 
 PS> Keep your stick on the Ice,
Keep your head out of the sand.
-michael
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