Andre Lieven wrote:
> "bluesmama" (onebluesmama{at}gmail.com) opined, ignorantly:
> > _TR_ wrote, with utter accuracy:
> >
> >> Pointless denial, but only to be expected: you're still a
feminist.
> >
> > And proud of it, thanks so much.
>
> Yes, its quite true that many people of low intellect can be " proud
"
> of their self inflicted infirmaties.
>
> Case in point.
>
> Lets put your pride into context:
>
>  "I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and
compassion
> which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he
> cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Former Congresswoman
> Barbara Jordan
>
> "All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French,
> Author, "The Women's Room"
>
> "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act,
> that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class
that
> is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor
>
> "I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it
> has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection
> and desire." -- Robin Morgan
>
> "And let's put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are
> oppressed, too, by sexism--the lie that there can be such a thing as
> 'men's liberation groups.' Oppression is something that one group of
> people commits against another group, specifically because of a
> 'threatening' characteristic shared by the latter group--skin color,
> sex or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being
masters,
> but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative
of
> divesting himself of sexism or racism--the oppressed have no
> alternative--for they have no power--but to fight. In the long run,
> Women's Liberation will of course free men--but in the short run it's
> going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly
> or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not
> your mothers." -- Robin Morgan
>
> "My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little
> sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the
> handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet
> in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to
> shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what
his
> shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French,
in
> "The Women's Room"
>
> "Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of
> contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin
>
> "In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape
> because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful
> consent," said Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary
> Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.
>
> "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average
> dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative
> difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"
>
> "The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace
> Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)
>
> "[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of
> intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" --
> Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)
>
> "When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating
with
> the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila
> Jeffrys
>
> FROM 'A Feminist Dictionary', ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora
> Press, 1985
>
>    *MALE: ... represents a variant of or deviation from the category
>    of female. The first males were mutants... the male sex represents
>    a degeneration and deformity of the female.'
>    *MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs
>    to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ...
>    *TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that
>    the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they
have
>    it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you
>    are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from
>    "testosterone poisoning."
>
> Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn to Dominate"
> "To Proud Feminist, (Herald-Sun, 7 February). Your last paragraph is
> shocking language from a feminist. You use the entrenched, revolting
> male stereotypes of women and rationalize your existence by saying
you
> are neither "ugly" nor "manless", as though either of these
> male-oriented judgments matter.
>
> "Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of
> those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male- controlled
social
> structures.
>
> "Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They
> have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it.
> Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it,
> bad luck -- and if you get in my way I'll run you down."
> Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9
> February 1996
>
> "Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the
> experience," said Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of
> Student Life in Time.
>
> "Ninety-five percent of women's experiences are about being a victim.
> Or about being an underdog, or having to survive... women didn't go
to
> Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo," said Jodie Foster
> in The New York Times Magazine
>
> "If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal -- a large
> beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students
> -- I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of
> persuading students that women are oppressed," said Professor Joyce
> Trebilcot of Washington University in "Who Stole Feminism: How Women
> Have Betrayed Women."
>
> "We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." Elizabeth Cady
> Stanton, quoted in " One Woman, One Voice ", Wheeler, page 58.
>
> "No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children.
> Society should be totally different. Women should not have that
> choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many
> women will make that one."  Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The
> Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the
> mainstream of the modern feminist movement
> ---
>
> And...
>
> Article 912510 of soc.men:
> Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:42:45 -0800
>
> The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified
> as a lesbian to be fully feminist." (National NOW Times, Jan.1988).
>
> "Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the
> women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution.
> Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage."
> (radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).
>
> "Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to
> serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a
> choice that shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change
> that." (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, "The
> Daily Illini," April 25, 1981.
>
> "The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant
> members is to kill it." (Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned
> Parenthood, in "Women and the New Rage," p.67.
>
> "In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away
from
> families and communally raise them." (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and
> assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate
> director of the school's Center for Research on Woman).
> ---
>
> And...
>
> Article 1131798 of soc.men:
> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:56:33 +1200
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> WHY HATE FEMINISM?
> Feminism says this:
>
> "How will the family unit be destroyed?  ...[T]he demand alone will
throw
> the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can
begin
> establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight
> collectively.  Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and
become
> economically independent, either through a job or welfare." -Roxanne
Dunbar
> in "Female Liberation"
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> "Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.  Rape,

> originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture.
Marriage
> meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but
> possession of, or ownership." (Andrea Dworkin)
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> "In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape
because
> women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent"
--
> Catherine MacKinnon in "Professing Feminism:  Cautionary Tales From
The
> Strange World of Women's Studies"
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> "No woman should be authorised to stay at home and raise her
children.
> Society should be totally different. Women should not have that
choice,
> precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make
> that one."
> Simone de Beauvoir (interview with Betty Friedan)
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> "Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare-up at this
infamous
> proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family,
the
> bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its
completely
> developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. ...
The
> bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its
complement
> vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. ... The
> bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed
> correlation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting,
the
> more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the
> proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into
simple
> articles of commerce and industry and labor."
>
> Karl Marx
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> "We are out to destroy the family.  The best way to do that is to
begin by
> attacking its weakest member, the unborn child."
>
> Simone Weil, French health minister
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> And feminists lie to women for the sake of their anti-motherhood,
> anti-family, heterophobic, anti-child, pro-death ideology:
>
> "Every woman has these same two questions: First, "Is it a baby?"
"No"
> the counselor assures her. "It is a product of conception (or a blood

> clot, or a piece of tissue)" Even though these counselors see six
week
> babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn
> puppies, they lie to the women.  How many women would have an
abortion,
> if they told them the truth?" --Carol Everett, former owner of two
> clinics and director of four
> "A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic" by Carol Everett ALL About Issues

> magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an
> abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to
abort
> immediately." --Judy W., former office manager of the second largest
> abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> "We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always
> wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to
tell.
> It's better for the women to think of the fetus as an 'it.'
--Abortion
> clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> "The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of
a
> hat.  She would find their weakness and work on it.  The women were
> never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is
to
> have a baby."--former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film

> "Meet the Abortion Providers" 1989
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> "It is when I am holding a plastic uterus in one hand, a suction tube

> in the other, moving them together in imitation of the scrubbing to
> come, that woman ask the most secret question. I am speaking in a
> matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the
> woman suddenly catches my eye and says 'How bib is the baby now?'
These
> words suggest a quiet need for definition of the boundaries being
> drawn.  It isn't so odd, after all, that she feels relief when I
> describe the growing buds bulbous shape, its miniature nature. Again,
I
> gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile
> features until its clinging power slackens." --abortion worker Sallie

> Tisdale "We Do Abortions Here" Oct 1987 Harpers Magazine p 68
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> "Vital signs should be observed regularly, and a Doppler [for
listening
> to the fetal heartbeat] inaudible to the patient should be used at
> intervals to determine the presence or absence of fetal heart tones..

> This [informed consent] is a controversial area, but most
professionals
> in the field feel that it is not advisable for patients to view the
> products of conception, to be told the sex of the fetus, or to be
> informed of a multiple pregnancy" --Abortionist Warren Hern in
> "Abortion Practice" J.B. Lippincott Company, 1984 pgs 145 and 304
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Whats the difference between a Feminist and a member of the KKK ?
>
> The KKK person believes in a dress code.
>
> Andre
>
> --
> " I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
>                                     The Man Prayer, Red Green

If there weren't oh so many quotes from famous and not-so-famous men
that bash women, minorities, the disabled, gays & lesbians, etc. I'd
find that collection enlightening. All it does is reinforce that idiots
exist. In any and every movement.



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