Society wrote:
> "bluesmama"  wrote in message
> news:1104895649.829200.200880{at}f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I don't accept the idea that respect for others -
> > of which politeness and courtesy are signs -
> > is confined to any one gender.
>
> Sigh.  Your remark would have been less of
> the empty platitude that you made it into, bluesmama,
> had you managed to show "respect for others" by
> the basic "politeness and courtesy" of including the
> relevant bits of the prior post of Jayne Kulikauskas
> to which you are responding.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> I agree with Mrs. Kulikauskas' assessment that you
> "came in here and right away started trying to make
> people talk the way (you) wanted them to",
> bluesmama.  You began this thread as a finger-
> waggling scold and now put on a big act of being
> "shocked, shocked" that your vinegar isn't returned
> with honey-sweet words.
>
> Bluesmama, you failed the sincerety test on your
> very first post in this thread (perhaps even earlier
> than that if you've made other posts in this happy
> little news group with that same attitude of guilt-
> tripping and shaming that you've shown so far).
>
>    One of the most effective ways I have seen women
>    using their power over men is by shaming men...
>
>    Char Tosi, founder of Woman Within
>
>    quoted by Jack Kammer in _Good Will Toward Men_
>    hb; St. Martin's Press (1994).
>
http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/895e5e8ac2f06fa2a19afeb4da09e526.html
>
>
> One aspect of women's power is control over what
> is considered socially acceptable behavior and what
> is not.  This is the power upon which feminism, like
> all other womanfirster norms, rests.  Men are far more
> sensitive to women's shaming ploys than most women
> realize but being ignorant has never stopped those who
> are in positions of social privilege from taking their
> privileges for granted (Marie Antoinette's "Let them
> eat cake" being a paradigmatic example).
>
>    From everyone to whom much has been given,
>    much will be required.
>
>    Luke 12:48
>
> Women on the whole have had a great deal of social
> power and privileged status.  IMO, just as women
> were the dominant ones in the "movement for (anti-)men
> and women", i.e., "feminism", the duty to do the heavy
> lifting in the formation of a "movement for men and
> women" that gets beyond the social status quo of
> womanfirsterism (whether of the feminist or traditionalist
> form) falls mostly to women.
>
> Scolding men, bluesmama, as you have done in
> post after post that you've made here, only shows
> that you have a great deal of personal work to do
> before you have any moral standing to barge in to
> any gathering of men -- even one as open as this
> happy little Usenet community -- and launch into
> your criticisms of the men present.  Yeah, yeah,
> you likely rationalize your behavior in your own
> mind as 'helping' blah blah blah.  Well, it isn't.
> Rather, you are only birthing more schismogenesis
> between the sexes, bluesmama.
>
>    Many women are very vocal in expressing
>    their disappointment with men,
>    but they are enraged when they find
>    many men are equally disappointed with them.
>
>    Rod van Mechelen, "Things that Make You Go, 'Hmmmm' "
>    http://www.backlash.com/content/hmmm/1999/hmmm1299.htm
>
> Here are some suggestions for off-line reading
> you might do to help yourself get up to speed
> on the points of view common in the soc.men
> community:
>
>    _Good Will Toward Men_ by Jack Kammer;
>    St. Martin's Press (1994).
>    (Unfortunately, this classic is out of print.  Try searching
>    ebay.half.com for a used copy or visit your local library)
>
http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/ow/895e5e8ac2f06fa2a19afeb4da09e526.html
>
>
>    _Why Men Are the Way They Are_ by Warren Farrell
>    www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=448299
>
> After reading and becoming comfortable with both
> of those titles, you will be ready to tackle these other
> works, all but one of which are available online:
>
>    _What Everyone Should Know About Feminist Issues_
>    by Rod van Mechelen, available for reading at URL:
>    http://www.backlash.com/book/intro.html
>
>    _If Men Have All the Power How Come
>    Women Make the Rules?*_  by Jack Kammer
>    www.RulyMob.com -- publishers
>
>    _The Martian Bachelor Science Page_
>    (This is more of a blog than a book but blogs
>    hadn't been invented yet when the Martian Bachelor
>    Scientist began dabbling in anthropology...)
>    http://www.martianbachelor.com/Science/
>
>    (Altho' one can start anywhere in the Martian
>     Bachelor Scientist's pile of links, I recommend
>     starting with "Laundromats".)
>
> And now, for the advanced student:
>
>    _The Myth of Male Power_ by Warren Farrell
>    _Woman Power_ by Laura Schlessinger
>    _The Stronger Sex_ by Richard Driscoll
>
> Happy studies!
>
> --
>    The more a young woman has bought into feminist
>    notions of equality (i.e., the sexes are essentially
>    the same and there is no such thing as a woman's role),
>    the more she is likely to flaunt her sexual power.
>    It is the only power left to her. This helps explain
>    why female students at Harvard -- among the highest
>    achieving young women in the country -- have just
>    launched a magazine featuring Harvard women
>    posing nude.
>
>    "Why young women are exposing themselves: Part two"
>    by Dennis Prager; February 24, 2004
>    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20040224.shtml

Was there any part of the "empty platitude" paragraph I posted (as
opposed to a "full platitude"? I'll have to look that one up) that
didn't make sense in and of itself? I didn't believe context was
required, as I was making a general statement. If that confused you,
the confusion was as a result of my lack of clarity rather than
courtesy.

Thanks for the reading list.



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