Hi, Sam.
SE>>I read comp.os.geos everyday with a certain amounnt of relish.
That's where we differ.   I'm reading it again but not with relish.
Mostly I started again because I wanted to see whatever was being posted
about Dunnagan's dumping of the font CD the way he did. 
SE>>I think Helmar has a point about Geoworks on the deskstop even
SE>>if he overstates his posistion in a strident and "negative"
SE>>manner.
I'm not disputing the fact that he has a point about the lack of
support of the desktop in the past.  The company was very clear about
its intention to not further develop it, but I think it was also made
very clear that it would try to turn it over to a republisher for such
an effort, and it did do that.  The fact that the republisher did
little or nothing to support or properly market the product and made a
bad impression on the desktop users who did contact it or try to order
from it cannot be blamed on Geoworks. What's got me upset is the fact
that Helmar is belaboring his points ad nauseum at a time when a new
republisher is almost in place who hopefully will take care of us
desktop users and he's not letting up on his attacks and bad-mouthing.
As I said in my note to GWREP Steve, there is no need to keep beating a
dead horse, and Helmar's horse has been dead a long time and needs to be
buried.
SE>>If you want to be the cross poster I will yield back to
SE>>you.
No, I don't.  I just hadn't seen anything over here from you in a
while or anything from you in comp.os.geos since I've been back there
and thought you were having BBS problems and offered to help if you
were absent.  Also, for a long time, I didn't realize you were doing
it.  I thought young Edward was the one.  Then, when I saw his recent
posts, I realized that you were it but it didn't look to me as if the
change had gone through the proper channels. When Rick Lembree was
moderator and agreed that I could cross-post at a time when no one
else here had access to comp.os.geos, he and I established some criteria
for cross-posts by PVT netmail and then announced the criteria here in
several back and forth postings to each other and all.  So, when I
said I needed to stop and Edward volunteered, I referred him to Rick
to be advised of the criteria for the cross-post material that would
be acceptable.  Now that Chris is moderator, I assume he knows from
Rick what the criteria was or has established his own guidelines for
what he considers acceptable cross-post material, and I was trying to
make sure that whoever is cross-poster is aware of what can be brought
in here and what can't.
SE>>on a regular basis. I'm happy to do it since I read SE>>comp.os.geos
anyway.
So long as everything is a-ok with Chris, you can keep on so far as
I am concerned.  OTOH, if you know you are going to be gone for a
while, or if you have Fido problems unexpectedly, you can e-mail me at
anne.page@psl-online.com and ask me to take over temporarily and then
take it back as soon as you are able.  That's assuming that it is okay
with Chris for me to do so.  The same is true of the questions I ask
you later on in this message about uploading some stuff I saved from
comp.os.geos if you didn't see it.  If you want me to post it based
on what you see here, then I would like to know it's okay with Chris
before I do so. (I HOPE YOU'RE READING THIS NOTE, CHRIS SALLEK!)
SE>>Let me know what you think.
I just did. 
SE>>I'm just trying to be of service as I realize you are too.
Right.  And the fact remains that I am still not a tekkie and a lot
of what I cross-posted was stuff I didn't understand and couldn't
explain when people asked about it.  You are much more knowledgeable
than I am about the technical aspects of the program and the features
and bug fixes under discussion.
As for not seeing a bunch of material to cross-post, I saved a couple
of things I wondered if you were going to bring in. So far I haven't
seen any of them here, and I think they all meet the criteria that
Rick and I established long ago for cross-posts from comp.os.geos to
this echo. I'm not putting them here because I am not the designated
cross-poster, but they started out:
"Much to my (delighted) surprise, I have successfully coaxed my hp100LX
palmtop pc into running Ensemble 2.01 ..."
Did you see that one?  If not, shall I upload it here (if it's okay
with Chris) or e-mail it you to upload if you feel it should be seen
here? If the latter, I need your e-mail address. ATSL, did you see this
one from GWREP Ray in answer to Helmar that explains a lot of the
history of the company's decision to not further develop the desktop?
"Literally years ago, Geoworks publicly stated that if the PDA(CCD)
market didn't succeed, they (Geoworks) wouldn't either.  They radically
refocused their operation towards making that happen so that they could
survive. ..."
Same question.  If you didn't see it, shall I post it or e-mail it
to you for consideration as a cross-post?
If you did see these two items and decided they were not cross-post
material, that's fine with me.  I may disagree with that decision,
but I'll honor it since you are the cross-poster, and I'm perfectly
happy for you to be it.
I just saw the one you cross-posted by GWREP Mark about New Deal
and a possible release of 3.0 in the second quarter of 1997.  I was
going to ask you about it but you beat me to it. 
                                             Anne Page
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