In article , dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
says...
>
> howldog (lifeisgood{at}hotmail.com) writes:
> > On 26 Jan 2005 19:55:07 GMT, dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven)
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>"You're a misogynistic"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> this word sure gets tossed around by feminists.
Its their insult
> >>>>> du-joir. I thought a REAL certified misogynist
was a guy who truly
> >>>>> hated all women, and abused them thru violence or
torment or
> >>>>> something.
> >>>>
> >>>>Indeed. Actual misogynists hate women, as a total. The way that
> >>>>Feminists hate men, as a total, on every level.
> >>>
> >>> All feminists HATE men on every level?
> >>
> >>Yes. Many of them refuse to admit it, even to themselves, much as
> >>racists used to try to deny their hate, with the excuse of " I
> >>can't be a racist, I have (ethnic group name here ) friends. "
> >
> > Personally, i think "hate" here is a little strong of a word.
>
> I don't. Read " Lip Service; The Truth About Women's Darker Side
> In Love Sex And Friendship ", by Kate Fillion, and add in that you
> just don't hear ANY Feminist body disavowing Andrea Dworkin's
> misandry. To name but one.
>
> NO men's organisation that had a man with the mirror views of a
> Dworkin, would last ten minutes, without a cowshit storm of
> criticism. So, why is it OK to *absolve* women from cleaning
> up their messes ?

Does that mean that Dworkin is never criticised?  That certainly
doesn't seem to be the case here.
>
> > I have a
> > hard time thinking every woman who thinks herself a feminist, has a
> > deep seated and all-encompassing hatred for all men. Mistrust maybe,
> > and natural tendecy to stereotype and generalize and blame. Hate? I
> > dunno.
>
> Indeed. You don't. Tell us again, when you have seen, close up,
> the various female only political bodies that spread hate of men,
> in rhetoric and policy.

The fact that HowlDog hasn't seen that hate may be a good sign.  Perhaps
the hatred isn't as widespread as some would have us believe.
>
> Have you ever faced the following: A woman director of a university
> legal aid clinic refusing you service, telling you that " Had you
> come to us with the exact same case as a woman, we would have turned
> you away, *because you are a man*. " ?

Either you or  the legal aide director suffers from a bit of
incoherency in that quote.
>
> NOW and the KKK are exact duplicates of each other. Both *hate*
> the *birth group* that they oppose. But, the KKK has a dress code.

Wow!  You managed to contradict yourself immediately.  How can they
be identical if one has a dress code and the other does not?  Why mess
up a good point for the sake of a bit of hyperbole?

Mark Borgerson




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