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to: Bill Grimsley
from: Rod Speed
date: 1995-02-23 07:20:12
subject: sticks and stones 1/2

RS> I've spoken to him again the other night since I wrote that and
RS> it certainly looks like some of the cops are attempting to ride
RS> him hard enough get him to react and then shoot him.  Tho he
RS> claims they have been told to lay off by the chief inspector.

BG> True, why kill the goose that lays the golden egg?  I'd really
BG> love to see this Chief Inspector's bank accounts (all of them!).

RS> I doubt there is any of that. I think he can
RS> basically see what the kiddy cops are up to.

BG> What's their game then?  Are they chasing Brownie
BG> points for knocking off the arch crim, or what?

I think its two things. The think it would be great to kill him,
not so much for brownie points but the usual cop mentality, teach
him a lesson that he cant jerk the cops around. And presumably its
also just the usual thing with those mindless jobs, it really is
a bit of a change from say booking cars and attending domestics.

Corse it presumably would do no harm to their reputation in the
cops to have bumped him of either.

BG> Makes you wonder about some ambos and firemen too, I guess.
BG> In fact, this new program on Channel 7 (Fire) has a pyro
BG> running around Brisbane (a bloody good idea too, IMO),
BG> and it looks like it might turn out to be a fireman.

RS> Yeah, there has always been a trickle of those.

BG> As an aside, Lyn's BIL is a firey with the local (South Coast)
BG> fire brigade, and we were appalled at the manner in which this
BG> program portrayed firemen in general.  And Sunday's paper
BG> carried a scathing response from the Commissioner as well.

Yeah, particularly in rural areas with volunteers, the vast
bulk of them are very dedicated people. SES too, which I
happen to know well a couple here very much into that stuff.

The worst you can say about most of them is that they can
get a bit officious and self important at times but they
certainly dont light fires just so they can put them out.

BG> If you ever watch it (and I wouldn't bother if I were you), you'll
BG> have a ball picking it to shreds.  Dunno why they did that either,
BG> unless they have plans to flog it overseas, maybe even in the US.

I think its the usual media beatup stuff, it attracts peoples attention.

BG> I'm not convinced there's any easy way to weed these weirdos out
BG> either, not until their peculiarities become evident at least.

RS> Yeah, having watch some people literally go mad,
RS> I'm not convinced that you can pick it coming.

BG> Certainly not a complete over-the-top breakdown, I agree.

RS> My next door neighbour was like that, people made snide remarks about
RS> say his work history, which looked at the time like just willful
RS> sillyness, giving up a perfectly good job for no sensible reason. And
RS> a few remarks along the lines of 'yeah, Gary is a bit funny like that'.

BG> Yeah, I remember your earlier posts re this strange fellow.  Sure it
BG> wasn't your dog shitting on his lawn which sent him over the edge? |-)

Hmm, oh well, think of it as a service to the world.

RS> Turned out he was actually coming completely off is trolley and that
RS> became unmistakable later when he did the more dramatic stuff that no
RS> one could miss. Like bailing up the entire highschool across the road
RS> from his house with a fucking great knife and stabbing holes in the
RS> door of one of the teachers cars with the teacher inside it |-)

BG> DIdn't he eventually top himself as well?

Nar thats the brother of my other neighbour |-)

Gary ended up in Goulburn loony bin for quite a while. Came back
here a few times with some most spectacular outcomes too. Even ended
up in the Sydney papers on one occasion. Dunno whats happened to him
lately, they never came back to that house after he was incarcerated.

All came gloriously unstuck towards the end. They had originally
moved in with their mother as teenagers, were there for years,
like 10 or something. There mother died, they were living there
as two teenagers in a what is sort of a housing commission house
for abos. Basically general drift into complete madness over years.

Forget what ended up getting him locked up, presumably the time
he had the entire highschool over the road bailed up with a
fucking great knife, stabbing holes in one of the teachers car
door with the teacher inside it. By that time they had ripped
up all the wooden floor boards in the house to use as firewood.

RS> The people who know claim that the NSW police have always been by
RS> far the worst. Just concealed it a bit better. Sounds plausible.

BG> As part of my misspent youth (~1969), I used to "sit" for
BG> half a dozen hookers working out of an apartment block above
BG> the arcade in Darlinghurst Rd, where Sandra Nelson's Club used to
BG> be, and more than once I personally saw the head of the Vice Squad,
BG> Vic Green, taking the weekly protection money from the girls.

Yeah, lots of that stuff, in fact one of them even personally
delivered it weekly or whatever to police headquarters. From
memory that was part of the illegal gambling stuff.

Then there was that hilarious episode when the government finally decided
that it was so blatant that they had to be seen to be doing something,
and the police commissioner actually publicly said that it wouldnt be
very nice to shut them down in the week before Xmas. Utterly bizarre |-)

Corse NSW is the only state in recent times thats actually had an
SP booky as a Premier too |-)

BG> In fact, I pissed of up here the day after he saw me watching
BG> this happen.  I later found out that just 2 days after he'd
BG> seen me, the place was raided and the new sitter (bouncer, if
BG> you like) was arrested and charged with living off the earnings.

Oh well, they will get you when you migrate back |-)

BG> Each night, before the girls hit the streets, at least half a
BG> dozen Vice and 21 Div coppers used to have a bit of a piss-up (on
BG> duty, of course) in one of the rooms, an event which I studiously
BG> avoided like the plague.  Fuck me, I could write a book about that!

Maybe you should, I'll read it |-)

BG> I wonder to what extent the police were involved in MacKay's
BG> killing though,

RS> Like I say, the cops accidentally on purpose allowed the
RS> evidence that Don Mackay had reported one of the biggest
RS> local pot growing schemes to the cops to come out in the trial.

BG> Bent coppers, presumably.

Yeah, and bent lawyers too. Simon got kicked out of the
law practice for that. Those cops were the name ones who
eventually mostly got allowed to leave the police force.

RS> Don was kicking up a big stink about how the local mafia were getting
RS> off almost completely scot free even if caught on pot growing. As a
RS> result of that someone told him of that massive Colyambally crop.

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