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echo: educator
to: PAUL SAYAN
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-08-12 15:27:00
subject: Re: Ivan Illich

 -=> Quoting Paul Sayan to Michael Martinez <=-
 
 MM> SK> There are certain students who do not do well in the ed system as it
 MM> SK> is designed. I think that what this then calls for, is a reform for
 MM> SK> these students so that they can learn better.
 
 MM>Reform?  I think what is boils down to is, why do you believe in
 MM>compulsory education and forcing your (or other people's) ideas in
 MM>reforming someone?
 PS> 
 PS> How about installing the ability to think?  You believe people
 PS> come with that ability?  I would trade my education for anything in
 PS> the world.  It's one of the things that protects me from those who wish
 PS> to take advantage.
 
"Installing" the ability to think??  I don't like that word.
 MM>You will still have protection from  quacks without any certification
 MM>system.  I explained how this happens.  Word-of-mouth, direct observation
 MM>of how someone's performance, selection of the fittest.
 PS> 
 PS> What is your neighbor's qualification in judging such
 PS> occupations?
 
HIs qualification is his experience with it or who he's talked to.  Everyone
is qualified to make a judgement.  YOUR judgement is used to determine
whose pronouncements are worthy and whose aren't.
 MM> SK> Do you really think that the drop-out rate is that high? I 
nderstand
 MM> SK> that for most schools it is below 10%.
 
 MM>What really is the difference between dropping out and ending your 
education
 MM>with a high school diploma?  Is it that much of a difference?
 PS> 
 PS> College, trade school, military, other
 PS> possibilities....income..hmmmm
All of these things that you mentioned are merely *more schooling*.   Of 
course
that's the case.  You need to pass through the gradations to get further on.
But what about job-wise or career-wise etc?  I haven't seen a difference.
People with only a high school diploma are working teh same jobs as
someone without one.
 
-michael
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