>
>>
>> Yes, there you go -- you and I are looking at it the same way. The
endeavor
>> itself is deserving, but some of those endeavoring are a pox 
>>
>
>In all endeavors, though, nonne?
>
>
>>
>> I WOULD! Some aren't of course... there's trash in every field.
>> But oh yes, absolutely some are serious art! As in film,
"true" art,
>> literature, mathmatics... there's serious art in any skill/medium/realm
of
>> endeavor. Pop culture takes well deserved whacks, but it's not without
items
>> to praise either.
>
>Right.  100% agreement.  There's fields of postmodernism given over to
>pop-culture studies and the way narratives present themselves to the
'public'.
>
>
>
>> Television and film (along with music etc etc) are expressions of the
>> culture they came from, mixed with, were inspired by... and reflect the
>> history they came from, and parody it, honor it -- how many times have
you
>> seen the "joke" of a chess game with Death? (seen in the
awesome Bergman
>> film The Seventh Seal) Everything comes in with a meaning and if it's
still
>> in use... takes on new meanings, shedding them in favor of newer meanings
>> etc all while carrying the original Idea with it. All in the Family
wasn't
>> *too* far off of Punch and Judy and that goes WAY back... 400 years in
>> recognizeable form, and back to the Greeks and Romans in other
permutations,
>> and further back than that if you just want to discuss the trickster
figure.
>>
>
>Yep.  Historicist readings... my favorite method.
>
>
>> >
>> > I'm tickled to have this discussion here, too!
>>
>> ME TOO! :))
>> I hope our elf has more time to spare 
>>
>
>Running out for today, which is why this one is rather brief.  
>
>
>>
>> Which is *exactly* what ppl ask me when I tell them about the higher
themes
>> and meanings in Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- which is just an *awesome*
>> show... sure you can watch it as a campy vampire/horror show, but it's so
>> much *more* than that.
>>
>
>I hear you, I hear you -- I love Farscape to death.  Loren and I sit there
and
>critique the hell out of it every episode.  Yeah, you can see it as sci-fi
with
>cool aliens and FX.  Or you can see it as an artistic endeavor worthy of
>comment.  I love turning the tools of my training on pop culture.  If I
went
>back for a PhD tomorrow, I'd get it in English Lit again, but I'd do it on
>postmodern forms of narrative and expression -- speculative fictions,
graphic
>novels (Sandman, anyone?), roleplaying games.
>
>>
>> I would go with not understood as well... but unfortunately I know too
many
>> ppl who do trivialize what they don't get.
>>
>
>Like... critics? <--- teasing, I promise.
>
>darkelf, in good humor
>
>
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