In article , momkulio{at}yahoo.ca says...
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> "Mark Borgerson"  wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c62b38fdf426cac9896a5{at}news.comcast.giganews.com...
> > In article ,
momkulio{at}yahoo.ca says...
> > >
> > > "knoxy"  wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1c62f08ef720b1129898d2{at}news.individual.net...
> > > > In article ,
> > > > momkulio{at}yahoo.ca says...
> > > > >
> > > > > "knoxy"  wrote in message
> > > > > news:MPG.1c6190b4f18be91d9898c6{at}news.individual.net...
> > > > > > In article <1106738529.698067.321440
> > > > >
> > > > > []
> > > > > > Whine whine whine whine whine whine whine...
> > > > > > that's all you so called men do in this group, besides
> > > > > > taking credit for what other men have done.
> > > > > > Jeeze, and they say women whine.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is outrageous the way men are underappreciated
in this culture.
> It's
> > > a
> > > > > good thing that some men are talking about it and
refusing to be
> shamed
> > > into
> > > > > silence.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jayne
> > > > >
> > > > So you think all men should take credit for what some
> > > > men do? And believe me, I appreciate the men who deserve
> > > > appreciation (imo), there's very few of them in this
> > > > group though.
> > >
> > > In my experience, there is a negative attitude about men in
general.  Do
> you
> > > realize there is a book called "All Men are
Jerks"?   Imagine the uproar
> if
> > > someone had written "All Women are Bitches." 
Women are beyond
> criticism,
> > > but it is considered acceptable to insult, mock and
denigrate men.  This
> is
> > > wrong and I'm tired of it.
> >
> > Try searching Amazon.com for "women bitch".   Among the
results you will
> > find are:
> >
> > "The Bitch in the House: 26 Women Tell the Truth About Sex, Solitude,
> > Work, Motherhood, and Marriage"
> >
> >  "The Naked Bitch: An Honest Approach to Dating Women"
> >
> >
> > Some of the other results indicate that women are NOT above criticism.
> > I don't recall any particular uproar at the publication of either of
> > the above titles.
>
> The first one is by women and the second apparently (from the reviews) is a
> humourous approach to the subject of dating.  These are not quite parallel
> to _All Men Are Jerks_ which seriously promotes that idea that women should
> assume that all men are jerks unless proven otherwise.

Does the gender of the author matter?  Are men allowed to critical of
men and women critical of women without reproach?

In any case,  all you cited before was a title.  I replied with other
titles.  None of the cites are on my current reading list.  Have you
read any of them?   My most recent reading on gender issues was
Farrell's  "Why Men Earn More".   I'm unlikely to send Amazon
my money for any of these other books.
>
> But let me try another example.  Perhaps you see a double standard in the
> different reactions to British Minister of Parliament and Chairman of the
> Commons Educational Committee,  Barry Sheerman claiming the girls are
> smarter than boys and Lawrence Summers suggesting that it is worth
> considering if  innate differences in math ability play a role in men's
> higher scores.

I don't know about Barry Sheerman's claims.   I've read a bit in the
popular press about Summers'  statements.  The reaction seems a tempest
in a teapot to me.  There was nothing offensive in his statements that
I can see.   He seemed to be saying that the subject of gender
differences in performance needs more research.  I agree with that.
>
> > > I want to see men in general treated with respect and appreciation as
> well
> > > as recognizing specific accomplishments of individual men.  
As for this
> > > newsgroup, I appreciate most of the men here.  They have been very
> helpful
> > > to me as I've been learning about men's issues.
> >
> > Excellent goals--and you have set a good example by treating others with
> > some respect.
>
> Thank you.  I'm glad you think so.
>
> Jayne


Mark Borgerson



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