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from: Mark Borgerson mborgerso
date: 2005-01-29 17:43:00
subject: Re: Humanists and Atheists Are ORGANIZING fellas!

In article , dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
says...
>
> "Deborah Terreson" (foodNOTSPAMandart{at}comcast.net) writes:
> > ----------
> > In article ,
dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre
> > Lieven) wrote:
> >
> >> USA (no{at}thanks.com) writes:
> >>> On 27 Jan 2005 20:59:20 GMT, dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Andre Lieven)
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>USA (no{at}thanks.com) writes:
> >>>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:10:40 GMT, "Heidi
Graw" 
> >>>>> babbled:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Hyerdahl3"
 oozed in message
> >>>>>>>news:20050127105443.18026.00000224{at}mb-m22.aol.com...
> >>>>>>(snip)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hyerdahl wrote:
> >>>>>>> No mixing of church and state, dearie. 
It's coming to your
> >>>>>>> neighborhood soon. Get your god out of my
govt. or you may find
> >>>>>>> my goddess on your doorstep.  :-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>What I find so humorous about American
Christians is that they are
> >>>>>>so darn pagan!  They worship the Goddess of
Democracy, the Goddess
> >>>>>>of Liberty, and the Goddess of Justice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, you'll provide one of your lame links
to back this up.  ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Indeed.
> >>>>
> >>>>Even though I'm an atheist, I do not believe that a religion is
> >>>>*necessarily* anti-democratic, et al. Both concepts
can co-exist.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Their God is also the God of Wealth...witness
> >>>>>>their coins which are stamped with:  In God we
Trust.  ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What do Canadians trust?  BTW, it's easy to scorn
wealth when you have
> >>>>> none.  It's called sour grapes.  ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>We're cranky right now: No NHL hockey, no Hockey Night
In Canada ( CBC-
> >>>>TV ). :-)
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a hockey fan myself.  How do you feel about
NASCAR?  
> >>
> >> Its Ok, I just prefer sports to be based on human capabilities. For
> >> techy stuff, I lean towards aerospace gear.
> >>
> >>>>>>So, American Christians have Mr. Moneybags
with 3 ladies dangling off
> >>>>>>his arms.  ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jealous?  It's ok, Heidi.  Everyone know most
Canadians wish they
> >>>>> weren't.
> >>>>
> >>>>Well, we've done this dance on another newsgroup.
> >>>
> >>> It is too bad Heidi believes she is reprentative of all Canadians.
> >>
> >> Its consistant: She also believes that she is representative of women.
> >>
> >>> She does a disservice to most of them when she speaks of Canada.
> >>
> >> Agreed. As in any nation, and especially in one so disparate
in geography,
> >> its not easy to find some nationwide agreed to ideologies.
> >>
> >>>>At that time, I pointed out that, up here in "
Soviet Canuckistan "
> >>>>( Pat Buchanna's term: I give the credit ), we have a federal
> >>>>budget in *surplus*, a shrinking national debt, a
growing in value
> >>>>currency, and a positive balance of trade. Oh,
healthcare for all.
> >>>>
> >>>>How you all doin', again ? 
> >>>
> >>> We're doing fine here.  My comment was worded and
directed primarily
> >>> to Heidi rather than to all Canadians.
> >>
> >> Indeed. I just thought I'd throw my two cents in: 1.8 cents
US. 
> >>
> >>> One common thread I've noticed
> >>> amongst feminists is that they are perpetually jealous of
and forever
> >>> coveting others' goods.  I believe that is where her
peevish remarks
> >>> about America were coming from.
> >>
> >> Sure. While I do agree with Deb T's comments about excessive mammon
> >> worship in the US, Canada is not free of such, either.
> >>
> >> I find it scarily amusing that one of the home & garden channels
> >> has a show about someone coming to your house, to get rid of much
> >> of your goods, to simplify life, and diminish stuff. That we have
> >> so much stuff, that we need help to be less tied down by it, well,
> >> thats overconsumption.
> >
> > Want to know what is REALLY scary? I have a former customer that I bumped
> > into last week. They've got a big whopping addititon on their house - a
> > new kitchen complete with granite countertops, stainless fridge/freezer,
> > stove - all the accoutrements - also an office upstairs and a 4-Wheel
> > Drive SUV to tote the kids around and so much debt they also couldn't
> > pay off a modest $7,000 hospital bill (when I had my emergency surgery,
> > I paid it off in cash at once).
>
> Well, what does anyone expect, when they're told and told that they
> can have it all, and now ? Not much room left for deferred goodies.
>
> > Yeah, that's getting ahead, isn't it?
>
> Yep. 
>
> > Just wait, Andre. I've been reading alot of the Wall Street Journal and
> > Barrons and Bloomberg and reading the policy news items. It's gonna be
> > interesting to see how the Republican plan to get this country out of debt
> > unfolds. It's briliant - I'm reading the papers and what the government
> > plans, is to dig itself out by pushing 'upward mobility' on as many
> > middle class Americans as possible so they end up in the bracket that is
> > where the Alternative Income Tax will kick in.
>
> Thats the stuff with the current administration down in the lower 48
> ( Or, Upper Mexico, if you will ) that amazes me about the masses.
> But, hey, they bought Feminism, so buying that they can run hundreds
> of billions annual deficits in budgets, and in current accounts, only
> suggests that they've gone to expecting the government to handle their
> money, as well as they do...
>
Canada is so much better off.  They only bought feminism!   ;-)    Hmmm,
I wonder how different the expenditures on feminist-based policy
are between the USA and Canada.    The USA might get an initial
edge for the feminists with VAWA,  but that might be counterbalanced
by defense spending.   Are Canada's  social support systems weighted
toward feminism?


> > Heee-heee-hee! Yaaah, right. Put ME into a tax bracket where I pay an even
> > LARGER percentage of my income to the government? Nice try assholes. The
> > Sermon on the Mount, with it's message of poverty makes alot of subversive
> > sense if you wish to 'Give Unto Caesar All That Is His.."
>
> Indeed.
>
> > The Sons of Belial are running this country, Andre.
>
> And, their modern spawn, Haliburton...
>
> > Jesus was right about immoral governments like Rome - and we live in it's
> > modern incarnation.
>
> Pretty much...
>
> > Downward mobility anyone?
>
> Amazing that so many feel they can live on someone else's money...
> foreign bondholders.

Hmmm,  perhaps I should weight my portfolio more toward Canadian
stocks---instead of just giving them money when I visit BC on
vacation.
>
> Thats not gonna last... Then... *boom*!
>

Mark Borgerson



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